Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spencer Clark

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 12:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spencer Clark

The guy ran one race, and not even in the NASCAR premier series - not notable in the least. Wikipedia is not an obituary nor a tribute encyclopedia. TonySt 00:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Also, the whole part about his death seems to be pure conjecture. Bill (who is cool!) 00:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom Hdtopo 00:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per cool Bill. Gwernol 00:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable road accident victim. Also has 61,599 Google hits(not counting the above mentioned article). Also TonySt, the Busch Series is A premier NASCAR series.[1] --D-Day ^{on WHEELS!!!} 00:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• It's an encyclopedia you should be able to look up anything and everything. You guys are ruining wikipedia with your over zealous deletions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.218.8 (talk • contribs) .

Please take a look at the policy on what Wikipedia is not. Encyclopedias are not "anything and everything", they have policies and guidelines about what merits inclusion. Wikipedia has such policies and guidelines too, for example see WP:BIO. Thanks, Gwernol 00:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• O ok I guess your referring to the part where it says "there is no practical limit to the number of topics we can cover." He was a winner of semi pro races. Some may be interested in that top especially if “NASCAR West Series” is ever expanded to an article in the future. NASCAR is a fast growing sport and drivers have to start somewhere.

• Keep For reasons above —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.218.8 (talk • contribs).
• Keep —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomdla (talk • contribs).
• Weak keep. He does seem to meet the WP:BIO criteria, though the article should be expanded. Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 02:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete If he becomes important at some point in the future we can just add him again. Balso Snell 02:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable non-entity --DV8 2XL 02:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Mr. Lefty. He's somewhat notable. If someone deletes the article, someone else can recreate it. --Starionwolf 02:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable, maybe a mention somewhere would be good. --Terence Ong 03:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• WP:BIO is not policy. I find the whole idea of notability questionable. Having this article will not harm Wikipedia especially if there is later expansion. Tomdla 05:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not sure I agree. If the presence of this page is used as justification for other tribute pages to be included, then that could be harmful to WP. Paddles 10:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP this is not near as bad as some of the bands I have seen. this can be expanded and should at least be given a chance... Also WP:BIO is not policy...Eagle talk 04:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, doesn't meet WP:BIO for me. If this guy was still alive the article wouldn't be here, seems like a memorial per WP:NOT. Rockpocket ^-talk- 07:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional Weak Keep - Won some awards and races and achieved some success at a lower level of NASCAR, though not at the top levels. It seems comparable to doing well in the minor leagues of baseball. Though Wikipedia is NOT a memorial, which is the article creator's apparent intention. Conditional weak keep if more sources are presented verifying these claism.Wickethewok 07:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Google search shows a respectable amount of relevent pages regarding the subject of the article; coupled with his recent death I think it could be useful to have an entry on him. Chet nc 07:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete doesnt meet WP:BIO for me. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 10:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Clearly fails WP:BIO. Condolences to the page creator, but he is not notable enough to include. Paddles 10:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete (although conditional) I don't know what the concensus is on how notable a NASCAR driver needs to be to get a WP article, and perhaps someone can enlighten me there. I strongly suspect that this guy would be below the bar. If so, then the fact of the recent death is completely irrelevant. It might be relevant over at Wikinews, but not here. In short, if someone can show that this guy meets the concensus standard for NASCAR drivers independently of his recent death, I'll reconsider my assessment, but it's "delete" for now. -- Deville (Talk) 12:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - Nick C (Review Me!) 13:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete as per nom. non-notable Bwithh 13:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per others who voted Keep. The person is notable. — Wackymacs 14:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn MarineCorps 14:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as notable. Seems entirely worthy. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 19:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete I know little about racing, and what leagues/classes are notable, but given that the newspaper article cited describes him as "up-and-coming," I'll take that to mean he wasn't quite notable. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 21:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Jon Lester is an up-and-coming young pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. I don't believe he's played a major league game, but he's an extremely noted AAA player in the minor leagues. I see him as a decent parallel in terms of similar career tracks at this point, and I doubt Jon Lester would even be considered for deletion, let alone be deleted. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 21:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep won a few important races, 89,900 GHits. Probably okay M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 22:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• STRONG KEEP driving in several major NASCAR series plus accident victim make him notable. He was a potential up and comer in NASCAR. He meets our proposed revised standards for inclusion (which are currently in the formative stages) at WikiProject NASCAR because 1) he has unusual circumstances (accident victim), and 2) he was a current driver in the Busch series. Royalbroil 00:47, 28 May 2006 (UTC), revised twice since

I have compared Spencer Clark's career to the WP:BIO guideline. I have compared him to the "living persons" section since he is not dead long enough for history to have recognized his contributions. In the sports section, he clearly meets "Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league." The Busch series certainly meets the criteria "the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles" since almost all Busch series drivers have articles. Also, EVERY Busch race is nationally televised in the United States (since the 1980s), and serious (and even not so serious) NASCAR fans watch races from both series (the same applies to the Craftsman Truck Series). The drivers (as well as team members) in all three series are fully professional full-time employees in racing. The Busch series is far more well known than AAA baseball because of the higher exposure. Also, the high number of articles announcing his death clearly demonstrate that the "The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person" is clearly meet. Royalbroil 13:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I don't think him being an accident victim makes him notable. Hundreds (thousands?) of people die in accidents every day, they clearly are not all notable. I don't think that whether he is alive or dead should be criteria for deletion or keeping. Wickethewok 00:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom - nn. —Khoikhoi 04:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems to be notable Crazynas 06:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn 66.98.130.128 14:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems somewhat notable. I don't think his death is all that relevant to whether he warrants an article, but the fact that it received significant coverage would imply notability. ScottW 17:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Meets WP:BIO. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 20:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - racing in the Busch Series establishes WP:BIO. B.Wind 01:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, his career might have been short lived but he did have a career which was recieving attention. Warhorus 02:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• STRONG KEEP The NASCAR Wikiproject has compiled and profiled nearly every driver to race Cup, Busch, CTS, and ARCA. Clark counts. BTW, look how many porn stars have a Wikipedia entry. If Clark goes, you can delete the entire porn section for the same reason. WillC 13:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, as a major member of Wikiproject NASCAR, it is important to have this driver in the records. Casey14 18:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Seems notable enough. 099 peter 19:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per Royalbroil. -- DS1953 ^talk 04:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The NASCAR Busch Series is the second most important NASCAR division. Every driver who took a part in a race in this championship should be included. He should be deleted if he had only taken part in regional series. --Pc13 09:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• KeepAfter some of the silly stuff people including a lot of the objectors here vote to keep, this guy seems to be absolutely famous. Maybe some of the local dirt track drivers should not be kept... Williamb 01:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.