Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexual Freedom League

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual Freedom League

This bears all the hallmarks of vanispamcruftisdement. See how many times you find User:Sam Sloan's name in the article. Just zis Guy you know? 12:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete as WP:VSCA. Thε Halo ^Θ 12:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Article was started by banned user Amorrow using the sock pinktulip. [1]. Only one other editors (Sloan) has made significant content edits. FloNight ^talk 13:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Definately vanity, but I am not conveinced either way wether it is notable. Google doesn't bring up a huge amount of results, but that may not mean much. 13:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC) (apparently I forgot to sign this: so Viridae^Talk 06:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC))
• Strong Keep I'm 57 years old, was somewhat involved in counter-culture movements (like everybody else was) in 1966 forward, and the Sexual Freedom League was pretty well-known 'back in the day.' I found the article as it is enlightening, no doubt it could be improved. Margo St. James was also known as "the Realist nun," something to do with a prank performed with the assistance of The Realist's editor Paul Krassner. The SFL may indeed have existed on the "fringe" of notability, but in the mid-sixties many things later subsumed to the mainstream -- all of the 'counter-culture' that came into its own by 1970 -- was 'non-notable.' SFL did, if my memory may be trusted, score frequent mention in Krassner's (now) well-respected publication (I was an avid reader). 40 years after its peak, 500+ hits in Google does not seem shabby. Lack of contributors is easily explained -- many lifetyle casualties in that era. Records like this are rare and historically valuable, though difficult to source. Sam Sloan lived in a time of historical nexus, characterized by conflicts of old and new, something similar was portrayed in Milos Forman's The People vs. Larry Flynt. I don't think the occurence of his name is a problem. Bustter 18:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• addendum- Morgan Wick: Not a sock, and will provide my address and phone if you like. Sloan and SLF founder J. Poland did put out a book, referenced in the article, its out of print. Calton - Archives of the SLF are curated here: [[2]] To everyone interested, its funny how much of the fringe culture stuff just slips away from us. "The Realist Nun" was a well-known prank of its time, in my circle, anyway -- zero hits in Google, but Google groups offers three hits, ranging from 1995 to one a couple of weeks ago. Bustter 10:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Bustter - Paulus89 20:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral. Keep, per emerging consensus. Lack of G-hits is my main concern, and I still have some doubt as to whether Bustter and/or Sam Sloan may be socks, but am still assuming good faith for now. If it's as notable as Bustter claims, it may warrant an article, but how much content can it retain while remaining verifiable? Maybe Sam Sloan or others could write a book about this and others like it that can then be cited as a source in an NPOV article. Could someone track down "Krassner's (now) well-respected publication"? Morgan Wick 02:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The Realist is a recently-created stub, but its editor-publisher Paul Krassner has been wiki'ed since 2003, there's more info about The Realist there. Though the last issue was in 2001, Krassner stopped putting it out regularly in 1967, when he discovered LSD. Or you can try contacting Krassner through his [website], where you can also read about Robert Anton Wilson's recent trip to his deathbed (and back). Better hurry, because Wilson's Ebay auction is limited to 3 days. Bustter 07:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
• Tentative keep. At first reading, all the references seem genuine and plausible, even the obvious mistakes ("Sproul Hall" being the name of UC Berkeley's administrative building and an often-used campus shorthand for campus administrators). A fair number of hits in Google Books [3] and Google Scholar [4]. And WorldCat confirms the book reference The Records of the San Francisco Sexual Freedom League [5]: there's even a copy at the Bodleian Library in Oxford [6]. Verification or actual notability may or may not be a problem, but the group existed. --Calton | Talk 02:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as verified by Calton. A search by me came up with a reference in the Nation dating from 1967. It was a shortlived organisation but was of some significance in the 1960s US counterculture. Capitalistroadster 02:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep a little bit of searching around proves enough evidence [7] for me that it exists, and even seems worthy of an article. Any minor slight doubts I might have are wiped away by simply assuming a little bit of good faith as everybody should do. Mathmo 13:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. It is obviously not suitable as is but this is way premature for deciding to delete. The solution is normal wikipedia editing. Over time, I believe it will become usefu, encyclopedic material. I am dismayed at all the effort to delete that could be going into incremental improvements. If everyone here just improved one thing about the article, that would be so much better than all this casual thumbs up vs. thumbs down stuff. WAS 4.250 03:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.