Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Sonnon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Sonnon

Spam, vanity, cruft. Gym owner. Herostratus 15:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. could tone down the business references but his revival of the ancient club with modern American engineering and sport science is being discussed on many strength and conditioning sites and is likely to meet this criteria (under engineers, professions): "... professionals whose work is widely recognized (for better or worse) and who are likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field " —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 163.181.251.10 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep. There's nothing spam or vain about this article. If you hope to have it deleted, you'll need to demonstrate those claims, which you obviously cannot successfully do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B-ham (talk • contribs).

Comment. From WP:AFD: Please disclose whether you are an article's primary author or if you otherwise have a vested interest in the article. Dsreyn 00:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete. Appears to have authored a few books which have low sales but positive reviews, e.g. [1]. I don't think that's enough for WP:BIO, however. bikeable (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I don't know how sales volume are determined, but he's a presenter for the National Strength Coaches Association, which is the most prestigious fitness organization in the States. He's definitely not "Tony Little", but for professional athletes in many sports (such as Egan Inoue, 2X World Racquetball Champion, Andrei Arlovski, UFC Heavweight Champion, Holly Rustick, Ms. Fitness Hawaii, and Todd Milhoan, USA Olympic Greco-Roman Team), he's the go to guy. B-ham 16:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep and edit. He was a silver medallist at the World University Games (in a sport I never knew existed) so he seems at least marginally OK against WP:BIO for athletes. There's an article about his Prasara method that's nominated above. I'd say delete the nn method and edit out any promotion of his business interests, but keep an article on the guy.--Mereda 16:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems notable enough, although I agree the tone of the article could use some work. Dsreyn 16:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. He was the USA National Sambo Team Coach for 6 years. I'd say that's more than marginal. Sombo/Sambo has been an Olympic Games sport (1981) originally created in 1938, and even has its own Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambo_%28martial_art%29 B-ham 17:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment. You have "voted" keep three times now. Please stop trying to stuff the ballot box. Dsreyn 17:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I thought this was a talk box, not a ballot box. Sorry. B-ham 17:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, it is a talk box, not a ballot box... and this is not a numerical vote... but for future reference, it is considered bad wikietiquette to say keep or delete multiple times and just generally makes life harder for the closing admins.--Isotope23 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you source your claim? I looked around a bit - and was unable to find much related to the US National Team at all. I also tried to verify the 1995 Pan American win, but individual Pan American results don't seem to be webified. If you could provide sources for some of the results mentioned in the first paragraph, as well as the world record in the 4th paragraph, then I would probably vote to keep. To show you why good sources are invaluable - this page [2] says Sonnon won the Pan American games in 1994. We can prove thats a typo, since the games were in 1995. My point is, without sources, we cannot be sure which of the statements are accurate and which are not.

• Keep could probably stand some cleanup... but he appears to be meet WP:BIO.--Isotope23 20:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The article didn't say Pan-American Games, it reads Pan-American Sambo Championships which are held annually [3] - another value of a better source. As far as the national team, there are several newpaper clippings here (see Post-2005, images 1, 3, 27), which state that he was certainly on the US national team and a champion. [4] --B-ham 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• keep, international athlete, author, and interviewed in multiple media. Kappa 06:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.