Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Sherman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Dakota 18:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Sherman

nn "talent executive". User:Zoe|(talk) 05:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I feel the admin (GWERNOL) who posted the article AGAIN for deletion, is, per his page, a self proclaimed Welsh trainspotter; so his interest in this genre: The Amercian Dance & Pop genre may not be best to qualify this Subjects contributions as Scott Shermans industry does not seem to be of the admins interests; just as i would know nothing of British industrial narrow gauge railways, a history of narrow gauge railways in the UK, comprehensive listing of same, Minimum gauge railways.

Also that the SAME admin felt it necessary to tag this page, and renom it for deletion seems to indicate some personal malice, as he was overturned, rather than through objectivity, I hope i am mistaken and its a coincidence he found this page.

while perhaps someone with no knowledge may be of use in establishing some merit, it is EXACTLY THAT person, who may be the one needing at some point to find more information on the Subject in which they're not familiar; We personally source wiki on what we do not know ;-)

Defaulted to more generic term Talent Executive at one point,as the listing of titles seemed excessive though thorough and more accurate note:previous versions included a DJ who is in no way related, also a fortune 500 member, fairly common name.

Subject is a well known industry Producer, Manager, philanthropist and Agent; Artists include Celine Dion, Jennifer Holliday C+C music Factory (most #1 dance hits guiness book world records) Amber, Ultra Nate, Currently President Atlantic Entertainment Group Clients include: Trump organozation, Paris Casino, Hilton Organization Created and initiated a common industry practiced known as "Shermanated" when you cross over acts regardless of who represents them to increase the turnout which has had marquees with Rock , impersonators, and jazz.

increased awareness to aids benefits by signing top entertainment legends to benefits

Involved in bringing Tony Bennett to MTV recharging Bennetts career brought the first pop and dance tour to Russia including boy bands, pop stars, and not only large venues, but to the "people' club tours.

Duke University graduate several industry awards, Grammy Award voter

Seems a significant pedigree and anyone researching the industry, events, dance or pop music would run across his name,

KathyStarburster 06:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, where do I identify as a Welsh trainspotter? You seem to have me confused with someone else. User:Zoe|(talk) 08:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: No, respectfully, YOU have confused yourself with the subject of that posting: GWERNOL posted the article for deletion in the manner stated above, so the defensive posture was completely unwarranted. Your personal page identifies with "nada" except spanish language and is completely void of any information, combined with the intense knee jerk "research" below ( ie. using the info to attack and dismiss rather than verify, very telling. Felice navidad Starburster 16:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the confusion is partially yours, Starburster - looking at the article history, Gwernol never tried to delete your article. He did some work on it, and then tagged it with the "notability" tag - which is certainly an expression of doubt in the article's notability, but doesn't lead directly to deletion. --Brianyoumans 16:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Not one of the references with links provided is about Sherman. The rest are unverifiable claims. Akihabara 07:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Akihabara. --Wooty Woot? contribs 07:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This man doesn't seem to work in the kind of field where having a successful carreer is enough to be Included in Wikipedia on its own. Unless there are multiple independent sources writing about him (more than just mentioning his name in passing) there's not enough to build a good article on. BCoates 07:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't think things are as bad as Akihabara says - I found small references to Sherman in the links provided - but I'm not seeing much about this guy online. Searching on "Tony Bennett" and "Scott Sherman", for instance, doesn't bring up anything about Sherman reviving Bennett's career, and I would have thought that would be big news. This guy may be a legend in the industry, but he doesn't seem to have any buzz outside it. Trivia: looking back in the history, it is obvious that this article started out as an article on an entirely different Scott Sherman, and then was hijacked at some point. --Brianyoumans 08:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Note I said "is about" not "mentions". Generally speaking notability in Wikipedia policy requires being the subject of the article. I do not dispute Sherman was mentioned. I assert those mentions are an aside and essentially of no import. Akihabara 14:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Put that way, yes, I completely agree with you. He is mentioned in passing in these references. --Brianyoumans 19:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Something very telling. Based upon this version of the article I looked up '"Atlantic Entertainment Group" "scott sherman"', and, lo and behold, if you remove the two Wikipedia pages which come up, the only hit is for this MySpace page, in which Mr. Sherman's email address turns out to be an aol account. Hardly the likely address of a famous entertainment executive. And the Atlantic Entertaiment Group's page is another MySpace page. How ... odd. User:Zoe|(talk) 08:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• And then there's this page. User:Zoe|(talk) 08:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think he actually does represent Deborah Cooper; the other celebrities... I suspect he either worked for an agency as an underling, or just goes to Those Sorts of Parties; if you are in the entertainment industry and are willing to pony up money to go to a charity bash, you can get your picture taken with people. I'm still for deleting the article. --Brianyoumans 09:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as an unverifiable nn bio. Sarah Ewart 01:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.Robertissimo 03:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete none of the so-called references seem acceptable to me as per [[WP:N} therefore notability hasn't been established. Ccscott 09:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no notability of his own is shown in the references, a number of which seem to be duplicated. Nuttah68 19:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment* looking at the myspace page which is indentified as his personal page; plus the record labels page centaurmusic.com does confirm his identity and relationship to C&C Music factory & Deborah Cooper. some refs were not specific, centaur was, society singers, was, Brianyoumans comments: idk just ponying up money will get those kinda pix..lol but even then. Maybe it just the lack of contributers or poor referencing. My2Cents —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.8.240.227 (talk) 23:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.