Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Cheney

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Majorly 00:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russell Cheney

Russell Cheney (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Tagged for speedy; contains (buried within) assertions of notability--paintings included at MFA in Boston for example. Still, no sources, not really written as enyclopedia articles. Procedural nom; no vote. Chick Bowen 06:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment This looks like a complete copy and paste from an obituary. Subject is probably notable enough due to his art career (published about at least here by Oxford Uni Press) and relationship with F. O. Matthiessen, but the entire article needs to be rewritten for an encyclopedic treatment. So, move to userspace or delete. -SpuriousQ 01:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe it can be salvaged. There's a good source for the relationship with Matthiessen in the latter's article, though if Cheney's just copies the same info I don't really see the point of that. The other option would be a redirect to F.O.M. Chick Bowen 01:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Well I went through and tried to clean it up. It's still in bad shape, but I don't mind if it stays. -SpuriousQ 13:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• 'keep. and tag for expansion. Speedy for no assertion of notability cannot be used if there is anything to indicate notability, and it seems to be clear that there is. DGG 10:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. No objection if anyone wants to move some of this material to the F. O. Matthiessen article. I could not find any mention of Russell Cheney paintings in the permanent collection of the Museum of Fine Arts, using their website. The current article is too weak to keep around in hopes it will get better. (Web research seems unlikely to find out much about this man; he died in 1945). No objection to re-creating the article later if reliable sources are found. EdJohnston 17:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - added some references. Salvageable. Addhoc 12:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment. I am glad to see printed references being added, but do you know what they actually say about Russell Cheney? The requirements for artists are covered by WP:BIO:

Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is widely recognized (for better or worse) and who are likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field.

The first reference you cite (Susan Howe) can be searched on Amazon; it does not (at first glance) appear to discuss Cheney's paintings. With the actual book one could be sure. EdJohnston 04:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - someone could be notable for reasons other than work - for example their love life. I'll add some links... Addhoc 12:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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