Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron J. Bigalke Jr.

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The result was delete'. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ron J. Bigalke Jr.

Graduate of a diploma mill, pastor at a church, teacher at Tyndale Theological Seminary-- which got sued by the state of Texas to stop issuing degrees. Person fails WP:BIO. The amazon.com sales for Progressive Dispensationalism is at 1,014,051, doesn't even crack the top million. Arbusto 16:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:BIO. Crystallina 04:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO. There are only a few hundred G-hits for this guy, as well. --Nishkid64 18:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Subject is well known in Christian circles and respected for his opinion on end times theology. So much so that National Geographic Channelconsulted him for their show about end times. He was invited to speak at the 2006 Conference on Faith and History at Oklahoma Baptist University. He's a bit out there on his theology and I don't at all agree with him but that is no reason to delete an article about someone, just because you disagree with their religious beliefs.Bagginator 06:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The issues and policy here is WP:BIO. How does he fit the criteria? Arbusto 17:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:BIO. There is nothing notable about him or his work. One may as well include an article on every self-proclaimed pastor out there who has written a book and had it bound for himself. Jim Ellis 11:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --MaNeMeBasat 14:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The assertion made by Arbusto that this man is a graduate of a diploma mill is incorrect. To put it properly Arbustoo should have written that it is his opinion that Tyndal is a diploma mill. However, a reading of the Wikipedia article (Specially the parts not written by Arbustoo, which is rather convenient) will show that Tyndale is a highly respected school in Christian Theology. Further, Tyndale paid its fine and is still a school in Texas which is "issuing" degrees. If it were a diploma mill, Texas would shut the school down. Next, Arbustoo writes doesn't even crack the top million and in another of his AfD's he wrotes doesn't even crack the top two million. One supposes if it was ranked 101,000 he'd write, doesn't even crack the top 100k. Finally, he asks, How does he fit the criteria of WP:BIO after I wrote how he fit the criteria of WP:BIO. A quick reading of that section is all one needs to see that he easily fits WP:BIO. He is a published author, well respected in Christian circles and asked to speak at Christian colleges/universities, and even outside Christian circles (As noted above with the link to National Georgraphic) is considered notable. How one can read my first comment and then ask seriously, How does he fit the criteria? is beyond my ability to comprehend. I urge those who do not have a knee jerk negative reaction to Christians or Christianity to look into this further and reconsider their positions.Bagginator 14:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Where on the nom. did I call Tyndale Theological Seminary a diploma mill (Your misreading and false claims are linked to your other votes in AfDs relating to me)? Also cite the outcome of the Tyndale court case, please. Secondly, you must establish notability with sources. Your list of video credits which list Ron Bigalke under "special thanks" does not meet any of the requirements(note: how some people in that list have a PhD by their name, well Bigalke claims to have one, but it is absent from that list). Speaking at a conference does not make one notable. Once again I refer you to read WP:BIO. Arbusto 15:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Also I take offense, as the other voters probably do, here to Bagginator's statement "I urge those who do not have a knee jerk negative reaction to Christians or Christianity to look into this further and reconsider their positions". This claim violates WP:AGF. Arbusto 15:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right, I misread the above to read that you were accusing him of graduating from Tyndale and that in connection Tyndale was a diploma mill. As a matter of fact, you don't bother to mention where he graduated from or what evidence you have that it is a diploma mill. So until you provide evidence that he graduated from a diploma mill we are left with assuming it is merely your opinion.

Also, I find this statement offensive, "Your misreading and false claims" and to be a violation of WP:AGF. Bagginator 23:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Was your claim (calling Tyndale Theological Seminary a diploma mill) false or not? Arbusto 00:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment It was an error. It goes to intention don't you think? Do you have any evidence that the school he graduated from is a diploma mill? Perhaps you should correct your error as I did mine. He earned his BS from Moody Bible Institute. Is Moody Bible institue a degree mill?Bagginator 04:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

He got degree from Faraston. Arbusto 23:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

He obtained his BS from Moody Bible Institute. Your assertion that he is a graduate of a diploma mill is misleading.Bagginator 05:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope not all. Perhaps you should look into before making claims that I am wrong. Arbusto 15:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:BIO. KillerChihuahua^?!? 23:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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