Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert C. Gorman
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Robert C. Gorman
Has been listed as a speedy, but I didn't think it quite fitted into that. To be honest with you, I don't know enough about law or otherwise to be sure enough that he isn't notable to speedy delete, if you see what I mean. Also, its worth noting that this is one of many articles written about the same family by the same user. So, nominating for deletion but I can be convinced otherwise. Robdurbar 23:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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- delete The principal claims to N is that he is a member of the board of governors of the Chicago Board of Realtors, and President of the Illinois chapter of the American Guild of Appraisers. This is very weak. Had he been president of the Chicago B of R, or held national office in a less well-known group, then he would be notable. Alas, this just functions as advertising for his law firm. I agree that this would be inapprpriate for a speedy, because N is at least claimed. DGG 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I would like to point out that I considered them borderline for speedy , hence tagging them for another admin to make a second opinion rather than just deleting myself :) Anyway, I don't believe this fellow is notable - delete. --kingboyk 14:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I only cited his 1968 service on the Board of Governors to illustrate that, before he was even 25 years old, others had noticed his sharp intellect and abilities. This is more of a sidebar than anything else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frommeyer (talk • contribs) 18:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
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- Delete as accomplishment is not notability. This is just a successful Realtor (er, REALTOR®), doing stuff in realty organizations. --Dhartung | Talk 05:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete®. He's just another somewhat accomplished person, one of millions. Not encyclopedic, of no value to researchers, conflict of interest and vanity. Herostratus 14:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Please forgive me, but I'm brand new at writing articles for insertion. Yes, RC is a very accomplished appraiser, but his "importance" lies in his volunteer efforts in which he has served as a key player in the legislation of real estate appraisers on the state and national levels to protect the 'good of the general public' since the mid-1980s - which started with the federal bailout of S&Ls in the late 1980s (cost taxpayers billions of dollars)and the current mortgage fraud activities (also costing billions of dollars). Unfortunately, there's very little info in Wikipedia (at this time) that I can cross-link to regarding the appraisal profession and the banking industry, such as "The Appraisal Foundation" and the "Appraisal Institute" (two articles that I have recently entered). Any advice would be greatly appraciated. Frommeyer 16:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment This is precisely why conflict of interest is a problem; someone close to the subject may have an inflated view of the subject's importance. If Gorman was important and a "key player", then secondary sources will have written about him, saying "Gorman was a key player" and so forth. Obviously the bailout and fraud were themselves important, but appraisal was one small part of those important stories, and legislation changes were a yet smaller part, and if Gorman was not a notable -- i.e. noted in secondary sources -- instigator, it really doesn't suggest that his importance in this small part of a larger story has been as critical as you imagine. --Dhartung | Talk 00:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks Dhartung and I agree 110%. QUESTION #1 - Do trade magazines and journals qualify as valid secondary sources? QUESTION #2 - If so, how would I properly cite a printed copy (especialy for older documents that are not online) for editors and fact checkers to verify? For example, how would I cite the "ABC story" published in the "XYZ Plublication" on "such and such date" that reports about RJ? Frommeyer 12:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment This is precisely why conflict of interest is a problem; someone close to the subject may have an inflated view of the subject's importance. If Gorman was important and a "key player", then secondary sources will have written about him, saying "Gorman was a key player" and so forth. Obviously the bailout and fraud were themselves important, but appraisal was one small part of those important stories, and legislation changes were a yet smaller part, and if Gorman was not a notable -- i.e. noted in secondary sources -- instigator, it really doesn't suggest that his importance in this small part of a larger story has been as critical as you imagine. --Dhartung | Talk 00:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Curiosity Question. I'm not going to delete it, but can any of you tell who recently added the "i am gay" at the very beginningof the article? Again, I'm brand new at making entries to Wikipedia (started 4 days ago). Does this type of thing happen offen? Who cleans this garbage up? General Question Is the original author of a Wikipedia article charged with the responsibility of monitoring the article once it is finally approved? Just real curious......... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frommeyer (talk • contribs) 15:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
- Delete per Herostratus, even though I did a lot of cleanup on the article. --Butseriouslyfolks 22:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
