Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ridgewood High School (Florida)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. -Doc^g 00:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ridgewood High School (Florida)

Ridgewood High School (Florida) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

The article doesn't follow WP:SCHOOL in asserting notability and is biased as of this revision. I can't find the district's page, but if it is created then the article can be merged with that. Also, see the edit history and talk page to see the problems with the article since its creation. It seems like the images might not be free too. EvaGears 11:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - nothing notable about this school as far as I can see. Jayden54 13:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep Article makes explicit claims of notability per WP:SCHOOL, especially regarding multiple sports championships. This is a thorough article that more than adequately covers the school and its activities. This is yet another pathetic case of an article that should have been tagged for sources, tone or image issues. There are dozens of tags that could have -- and should have -- been applied. There is no reason that an AfD needed to be initiated to address these issues. A few minutes at the keyboard was more than enough to address POV concerns and add several sources. Alansohn 13:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • WP:SCHOOL is not even a guideline, but a proposed and much-contested proposed guideline which, despite the bad faith of certain people who push for its adoption, has been rejected repeatedly. Speedy keep is an invalid and bad faith !vote, and I request you withdraw it. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • He might be sentimental because he created the original article --EvaGears 02:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Let's start taking apart the statements made above from the beginning, with the creation of this article. I did it. I admit it. I created this article. I created it after someone had edited the original article "Ridgewood High School", which was about a school in New Jersey, and overlaid the text with the description of a school somewhere in Florida. After some back and forth, I restored the New Jersey school article, took the Florida text and pasted it in to create the Ridgewood High School (Florida) article. You can take a gander at this link for some of the details. A disambiguation page was created shortly thereafter at Ridgewood High School. My only connection in creating the article was to resolve a nascent edit war by creating a new article. I don't attend the school. I'm not an alumnus. I don't know where New Port Richey is, nor do have any idea of where the original Port Richey is located. I do know school articles. And I also know that if the AfD nominator states that "[t]he article doesn't follow WP:SCHOOL in asserting notability", then indicating why it does indeed meet the notability criteria specified by WP:SCHOOL would be an appropriate refutation of the claim that it should be deleted. As the WP:SCHOOL argument fails, and the concerns about "bias" and images can be or already have been easily addressed, my argument for a Speedy Keep seem rather well justified. Alansohn 23:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Some fairly good results in sports do not grant notability to the institution.--Húsönd 19:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep — It satisfies my personal criteria for High School notability. I couldn't find the bias mentioned above. The article seems sufficiently neutral. The images are irrelevant to the AfD since they can be removed. — RJH (talk) 19:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Meets WP:SCHOOL per Alansohn, which is at any rate only proposed. Bias also appears to be gone. BryanG^(talk) 20:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep the article is much better than the vast majority of those on similar topics. TSO1D 21:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete It fails my personal criteria for high school notability (i.e., the school needs to do more than exist). GassyGuy 15:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep — The school is a very important piece of a community numbering nearly 200,000 people. I see no reason why this article can't exist in its current form. — Dchauncey

• You are a student of the school which can lead to bias. Please give a reason on how the school is notable other then that it serves a large community. If that is the reason why there should be an article, then many schools can have their own articles, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information or a directory. I can see how you feel because I went to the school for two years myself and lived in Pasco, but the school is nothing special. I also believe you written the history of the school but please keep it in the school's website. Thank you. --EvaGears 19:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • So, now we see the bias of the nominator in creating this AfD. WP:NOT is the poor man's excuse for deleting an article, resorted to by those who can't appeal to a relevant Wikipedia policy or guideline. A reading of the clearly worded WP:NOT#DIR states that the definition of "Wikipedia is not a directory" as "1) Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional)." No, "2) Genealogical entries or phonebook entries." Not Close, or "3) Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guides, or a resource for conducting business." Not a Prayer. I understand that you have a bias, after all familiarity breeds contempt, but please recognize that the article is a complete and thorough description of the school, and that the article makes explicit claims of notability in compliance with WP:SCHOOL, contrary to your assertion in the AfD nomination. Alansohn 23:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep High schools are article worthy. Honbicot 14:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Jimbo Wales and for reasons described at User:Silensor/Schools. Meets WP:SCHOOLS as proposed as well. Silensor 22:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - More notable than the average high school. Georgewilliamherbert 01:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCHOOL and comment by Alansohn above.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 04:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Where are the third-party sources. Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability, which actually is a guideline. —Centrx→talk • 14:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • All of the sources that had previously been provided were from reliable verifiable sources that meet any and all qualifications specified in WP:RS, WP:V, WP:N and WP:SCHOOL. Several additional sources were added from the St. Petersburg Times, which is the largest newspaper in the State of Florida and 23rd largest in the United States. from among several hundred articles about the school available over the past two decades. I would hope that these additional sources meet your own personal standards for notability -- they certainly meet mine and those of the overwhelming majority of other participants of this AfD -- but if you have any further issues, please raise them so that they can be addressed to your satisfaction. Alansohn 17:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
    • There are no such sources currently in the article. All the references for the first part are the school's website, and the text there is directly derived from it; and all the references for the athletics are the Florida High School Athletic Association. —Centrx→talk • 23:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Actualy, it looks like this article has some copyright and conflict of interest issues, with the original text being a POV text dump from the same user who recently copied [1] directly from [2]. The article that remains is still not substantiated by reliable third-party sources, and still has POV problems. —Centrx→talk • 23:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Whilst the article is full of information there's no evidence that the school is actually notable in any way. Existence is not a guarantee of notability. WMMartin 19:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • — WMMartin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. seems to be single-purpose account used for AfD participation, may be WP:SOCK. Alansohn 21:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.