Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reformed Mennonite

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The result was Keep. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-07 03:56Z

[edit] Reformed Mennonite

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A subset of a subset of a subset. Under 300 members and no evidence of any significnance outside the Mennonite commuinity. Guy (Help!) 22:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - WP:ORG states: "...Individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not notable enough to warrant a separate article unless sufficient notability is established through reliable sources. However, chapter information is welcome for inclusion into wikipedia in list articles as long as only verifiable information is included..."; notability has not been established through reliable sources - the article states one source that does not cover notability, and therefore the article is not justified enough to be classified as notable with regards to an individual chapter of Mennonism; thus, the article must be deleted. Anthonycfc ^{[T • C]} 23:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Comment - My initial reaction was to suggest this article is worth keeping. It wouldn't be difficult for me to come up with several reliable sources, and groups like this are so independent and unique it is hard to think of them as part of larger group. However, the article is so poorly written that to become a truly valuable article it would need a complete rewrite and in its present form it's not worth merging anywhere. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 23:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

  I am changing my opinion to keep based on Black Falcon's improvements of the article. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 15:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems notable enough. Sects are of enough interest to have their own articles and don't really fall under the definition of "individual chapters of national and international organizations" - after all, individual Anglican and Catholic dioceses are deemed to be notable. Probably should be renamed Reformed Mennonite Church though. -- Necrothesp 01:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep A splinter sect is not a chapter. Any organizational or doctrinal difference is enough--just as long as the group considers itself distinct. WP is not a judge of what differences in theology are significant. The number of members is totally irrelevant. This is a necessary principle, or we would have perpetual arguments about things which people feel very deeply about. DGG 04:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This is a religious denomination, not a local chapter, so the delete coments by Anthony do not apply at all. It has 10 congregations per [1]. Notability does not expire, and [2] says that per the 1890 census it had 34 congregations with 1655 members. [3] says it presently has 347 members. As reliable and independent sources the article includes two at present: a book about the denomination and an entry in an encyclopedia about the broader Mennonite faith (not published by or exclusively about this denomination). With its history dating back 195 years, there are doubtless additional sources if it is desired to expand the article. It presently satisfies WP:ORG, WP:N and WP:ATT so there is no basis for deleting it other than not liking it. I do not see that the article is so poorly written as claimed, but since the subject is notable quibbles with the writing call for editing, not deletion. Edison 05:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per the comments of DGG and Edison. Seems to satisfy criteria for inclusion. -- Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 05:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per previous comments. Edward321 05:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I have added 2 sources to the article, as well as "History" and "Membership" sections. The quality of the prose is probably not my best (as I'm rather tired at the moment), but the sources suffice to establish notability and the extra information makes this more than just a stub-class article. Also, as noted above by DGG, this is a separate denomination and not a small chapter of the Mennonite Church. -- Black Falcon 08:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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