Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rawang churches

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep or No Consensus on them ALL. Redwolf24 01:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Rawang churches, Tujia Church, Parauk churches, Northern Zhuang churches, Mien churches, Manchu churches, Lisu Church, Hani churches, Dai Churches, Bai Church, Korean churches, Achang church, Lahu churches, Tulang Church, Wa Churches, Akha Church, Jesus Family, and any other near-identical article by Special:Contributions/Sarcelles 1.1 Rawang churches 1.2 Tujia Church 1.3 Parauk churches 1.4 Northern Zhuang churches 1.5 Mien churches 1.6 Manchu churches 1.7 Lisu Church 1.8 Hani churches 1.9 Dai Churches 1.10 Bai Church 1.11 Korean churches 1.12 Achang church 1.13 Lahu churches 1.14 Tulang Church 1.15 Wa Churches 1.16 Akha Church 1.17 Jesus Family 1.18 Vietnamese Church 1.19 Kachin Church 1.20 Nakhi Churches 1.21 Maonan Church 1.22 Miao Churches 1.23 Puyi Church

[edit] Rawang churches, Tujia Church, Parauk churches, Northern Zhuang churches, Mien churches, Manchu churches, Lisu Church, Hani churches, Dai Churches, Bai Church, Korean churches, Achang church, Lahu churches, Tulang Church, Wa Churches, Akha Church, Jesus Family, and any other near-identical article by Special:Contributions/Sarcelles

Delete - not notable. The author has created several articles on churches with no established notability and most containing no substantive information other than geographic location and the fact that the church is growing. In the time it's taken me to put all the vfd tags on all these pages, Sarcelles has added 4 more of these articles. Bubamara 10:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

• Comment I'd like to see some of these nominations broken up; Jesus Family is supposedly a church with 100,000 members, which sounds notable to me. Some of the other articles could conceivably be merged with articles on the specific ethnic group under the heading of "Religion". Granted, the articles as they currently stand are pretty pathetic, but most are viable stubs. Sarcelles should be encouraged to write more in each article rather than spitting out 10 stubs a day, however. --BaronLarf 14:10, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Not quite that clear-cut. If these were individual churches, I'd say delete, but they're actually church groups; generally missionary-type work targetted to specific minorities. Here's my vote, along with a reference verifying at least the eistence of the ones I feel should be kept:
  • Delete: Tujia Church, Parauk churches, Manchu churches, Hani churches, Bai Church, Tulang Church, Wa Churches
  • Keep: Rawang churches [1], Mien churches [2], Lahu churches [3], Jesus Family [4]
  • Keep and Move: Northern Zhuang churches to Zhuang churches [5], Lisu Church to Lisu churches [6], Dai Churches to Dai churches, [7], Korean churches to Catholocism in Korea (obviously there are Korean churches), Achang church to Achang churches [8], Akha Church to Akha churches [9]
  • Note: The only two I really feel strongly about are Korean churches (tons of room for natural growth) and Jesus Family (notable cult).--Scimitar ^parley 14:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: He's using the World Christian Encyclopedia as a source for all these articles. --Scimitar ^parley 14:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Comment This is going to get very messy. I've broken it into seperate headings to make it a bit easier. --BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks BaronLarf. I was at a loss as to how to present this. I've added 6 new applicable articles to this. This list tends to grow. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't approve. I've voted on a few, but it's a test of endurance to ask people to vote on more than twenty related articles. In the absence of the presentation of any evidence of non-notability for any of them, I say Keep All. Please count a keep vote from me in each case. And lets not bother with the "google test" please. If these groups exist, and no one has so suggested that they don't, the articles should be treated in the same way as articles about comparable groups in the United States. CalJW 15:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
• Comments At least in the general articles (EG Korean churches and Vietnamese churches), "church" is a poor choice of words if it is meant to cover all houses of worship, and arguably POV if only Christian churches are to be included; and they don't have any content not obvious from the title. Other than Jesus Family, most could probably be deleted for lack of encyclopedic content, but I'd certainly rather see most merged/redired than kept. Niteowlneils 01:41, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, without specifics, "growing" isn't very meaningful, and in at least some cases probably has verifiability issues, as do some of the location citations. Not much other content in most of the articles. Niteowlneils 01:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

• Keep them all, unless they are suggested not to exist. Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rawang churches

• Keep: [10] Scimitar
• Merge into Rawang--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I doubt this would have been nominated if it was in the US. Only possible grounds for deletion would be non existence, which has not been suggested. CalJW 15:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tujia Church

• Delete Scimitar
• Merge into Tujia--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• KeepSarcelles 23:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parauk churches

• Delete Scimitar
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:03, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Zhuang churches

Keep and Move: Northern Zhuang churches to Zhuang churches [11] Scimitar

• Merge into Zhuang
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:03, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mien churches

• Keep: [12] Scimitar
• Merge into Yao people--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Manchu churches

• Delete Scimitar
• Merge into Manchu--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lisu Church

• Keep and Move: to Lisu churches [13] Scimitar
• Keep and don't move; the article isn't about buildings so far as I can see. CalJW 15:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hani churches

• Delete Scimitar
• Merge into Hani (Also, Akha=Hani; see below)--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dai Churches

• Keep and Move: to Dai churches, [14] Scimitar
• Merge into Dai people--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bai Church

• Delete Scimitar
• Merge into Bai--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Korean churches

• Keep and Move: to Catholocism in Korea (obviously there are Korean churches) Scimitar
  • Merge per suggestion below.--Scimitar ^parley 16:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into Christianity in Korea--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• I think you mean redirect. I don't see anything to merge here. -- Visviva 03:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, possible rename. Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Achang church

• Keep and Move: to Achang churches [15] Scimitar
• Merge into Achang--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lahu churches

• Keep: [16] Scimitar
• Merge into Lahu --BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tulang Church

• Delete Scimitar
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:14, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wa Churches

• Delete Scimitar
• Merge into Va people--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:14, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Akha Church

• Keep and Move: to Akha churches [17] Scimitar
• Merge into Hani (Also, Akhi=Hani; see above)--BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus Family

• Keep: [18] Scimitar
• Keep --BaronLarf 15:25, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep — "fouznded"? Matches found in google. Probably could be merged into an article on christianity in China, which is of some historical interest. — RJH 15:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Not to mention contemporary interest as one of the major growth centres of world Christianity. Keep
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnamese Church

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Clearly notable unless facts stated are false, which has not been suggested. CalJW 15:44, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kachin Church

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep No evidence of non-notability has been presented. CalJW 15:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nakhi Churches

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maonan Church

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Miao Churches

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 16:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sarcelles 23:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Puyi Church

• Delete. Not notable. Bubamara 18:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, listed on the worldchristiandatabase [19] Kappa 16:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• KeepSarcelles 23:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.