Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ransom Notes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 15:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ransom Notes

Student a capella group with constantly fluctating membership. It has released several self produced albums but doesn't seem to meet WP:MUSIC to me. --Martyman-(talk) 08:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom Bucketsofg 15:23, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Multiple other student a cappella groups have had wikipedia entries for lengthy amounts of time without this issue. (ie. University of Pennsylvania's Penn Masala, Tufts' Beelzebubs, Brown's Brown Derbies, Cornell's Hangovers etc) Look at the "list of collegiate a cappella groups" site and see there are many links to individual pages. There doesn't seem to be an issue with these groups, yet this criticism would apply equally to all of them as well. Let's be consistent. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.135.194.144 (talk • contribs) .

• Weak delete per nom -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 17:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

What are they being marked for? I don't see what violation they are making that other college a cappella group entries are not. They create music, which qualifies them as a music group. Noutbounde 18:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - "Has won or placed in a major music competition.": ICCA Midwest Region 2001: Mixed Collegiate Arrangement for Funny Valentine. Besides, there are a lot more in Category:Collegiate a cappella groups that have a lot less information. Article could use cleanup, but no less encyclopedic than other college groups. --Christopherlin 09:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

• Anne Bazile winning best arrangement in a quarter final of the Midwest section of a comptetition for college a capalla groups does not count as a win or place in a major music competition to me [1], also chances are Ann Bazile (who is not mentioned in the article) is not even a current member of the group. There is no way that this group meets WP:MUSIC as it stands, the question is should WP:MUSIC be stretched to include non-mainstream forms of music more readdily, I would be inclinde to say no. Also the existence of other non-notable articles should not act as precedent for the inclusion of this one. --Martyman-(talk) 21:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

• This band has had infinitely many names and is hard to keep track of. Delete without prejudice to recreation if notability is properly established. Stifle 23:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• keep All student a cappella groups have constantly fluctuating membership. After all, they're composed of students, who graduate and leave the school. This hasn't been seen as grounds for deletion for any of the other collegiate a cappella groups' entries, so I see how this could fairly be grounds for deletion in this case either. Granted, some cleanup is necessary, but deletion seems harsh.

In addition, the group has won national recognition. The ICCAs is one of the two biggest a cappella contests in the country (the other being BOCA). Winning recognition in this contest is a significant accomplishment, especially for so young a group. The group is also notable in that it has performed in many states, and with many of the nation's best a cappella groups. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Annelisep (talk • contribs) .

• Delete I was going to mention that it might be significant that they are "the first coed collegiate a cappella group at the University of Chicago", but this fact is not even mentioned on their own website (as of 03/15/06). As far as all other collegiate a cappella groups, they should all be removed save for the truly historic ones (whichever those are). dfg 20:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Low-grade notable, like many such groups at major universities. Monicasdude 00:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 03:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Sorry, I don't see the notability per WP:MUSIC here. Sandstein 06:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I would not call their 2001 win, a "major music competition", which seems to be its only claim to fame on WP:MUSIC. Wickethewok 09:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speed Delete - Ambigious, not significant and do not merit any publishing on Wikipedia. Groups like this are free to publicate themselves but as such do not deserve the attention of encyclopedia. 11:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.