Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quarters (relist nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 16:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quarters

One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. -- Saberwyn 10:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• If deleted, redirect to Quarter. -- Saberwyn 10:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process. Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction. Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible? I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Also, the category listing didn't work because this sort of leg-work needs to be done on each drinking game article in turn. If some are verifiable and considered encyclopedic material by other editors, then the category delete is null and void. Vizjim 11:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, listed in the BarMeister's Big Book of Drinking Games, and with 250+ Amazon.com drinking game books listed... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep Even I've heard of this one. --Bachrach44 14:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and maybe add some background history and specific examples for "verifiability". This is one of the best if not *the* best known drinking game. --Vossanova 15:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 17:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per Vizjim and badlydrawnjeff, among others. Nominator certainly hasn't run a Google check on this one, but must have had the good taste to avoid some of the bad movies in which this game is played. Fluit 18:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete WP:NOT a collection of random cruft, and specifically not a list of instructions (such as this page). Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Talking about a game without talking about the rules is pointless. If the article delves too much into the rules, then a cleanup tag is appropriate. Fluit 22:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8? This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. An article on this drinking game has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted). As Fluit says, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 11:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. This one's actually notable. Brian G. Crawford 21:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep as this one seems pretty universal. Roodog2k 23:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this game is actually famous... --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 02:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Well known -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 05:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Verifiable. --- GWO
• Keep, and move to Quarters (drinking game). Quarters should redirect to quarter. -Sean Curtin 06:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep and move per gtrmp, there are a lot of pop culture references to this game. Dspserpico 18:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. I don't think many people haven't heard of this. Jgamekeeper 08:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.