Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prussian education system

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (nomination withdrawn). --Ezeu 22:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prussian education system

Little solid content, reads like an essay, says little even for its short length. Djcartwright 01:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment I have rewritten this article by cobbling stuff together from Education in Germany and the original speech from Senator O'Connell. Please re-read it and reconsider your votes as you see fit. --Richard 22:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge w/Education in Germany. Not a bad idea but not in need of its own article, material is already covered. NeoFreak 02:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• We could certainly have an artice on the 19th century Prussian educational system, separate from a general article on Education in Germany, but not using extracts from a minor and rather silly political speech by an American senator. There are good scholarly secondary sources that could and should be used for this. In this case: Speedy delete as copyvio from the external link. up+l+and 07:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Keep. This still needs a lot of work, but it is obviously a valid topic and not a copyvio any longer. up+l+and 06:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Well there is a subsection in Education in Germany about the Prussian system but after Dlohcierekim's righteous purge I guess it's kind of a moot point :) NeoFreak 17:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment Someone could rewrite the copyvio in their own words and flesh out the article again . . . Dlohcierekim 02:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment Uh, I tried that but much of that speech is, with all due respect to Senator O'Connell, POV garbage. I salvaged a little bit of it but I wouldn't spend much more time with that speech. --Richard 22:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or merge I have removed the POV copyvio, leaving a stub. :) Dlohcierekim 14:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Education in Germany --Peta 06:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is actually distinctive from the generic Education in Germany article, It really needs fleshing out but this is a legitimate subject, while it was the ancestor to much of Modern Germany's educational system it is quite distinct.Moheroy 12:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Merge per NeoFreak. Markovich292 02:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep per User:Moheroy. This article is in serious need of expansion but it should NOT be deleted.

Consider this link

Here's a quote from the intro paragraph of the above webpage

Among other achievements, the early Prussian state set standards of public administration and education still in place today.

And this link

In a profound sense, the public schools are not an American institution. They were modeled on the system of public education found in authoritarian Prussia in the early 19th century.

And finally this link

the designs of Chalotais were first introduced not in France but in Prussia, where our public education system was born

--Richard 06:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Ezeu 19:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletions. -- Ezeu 19:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Strong keep See the German Wikipedia [1] for material that could be included on Prussian educational innovations. Clarification: I wrote this after the article was rightly cut back to a stub with the removal of the senatorial WP:BOLLOCKS. Leibniz 23:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

NOMINATION WITHDRAWN It has been completely rewritten and has some actual informative content now. Djcartwright 21:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.