Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Private First Class Stephan "Obi" Obrieski

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The result was merge to a list of characters of the (video game) series. - Bobet 18:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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This set of articles covers the main and support characters in the Brothers in Arms series. Individual characters are not notable enough for their own articles and lack reliable sources that are not in-universe. These articles are little more than a collection of what happens in the game to each character, which often overlaps and should already be covered in the game articles. I would merge, but considering the length of the article name and non-standard rank usage, it's unlikely that anyone will input the whole title for a merge. Scottie_theNerd 11:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Further comments: Clearly, these articles have been hastily put together by one person without realising the significant overlap of each article. Also considering the names are practically unsearchable due to the use of rank, name and nickname (never presented all together in the game) and the creation of a category just for these characters, I don't see much merit in keeping, merging or even redirecting these. As mentioned above, some of these characters are barely notable in the games, let alone as standalone Wikipedia articles. --Scottie_theNerd 12:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. --Scottie_theNerd 12:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - categories are not discussed here. Please see the CFD process. Otto4711 15:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I am aware of that. I'm simply listing this here as a reminder to put Category: Brothers in Arms characters through the CfD deletion process after the articles are deleted, since there would be nothing left in the category. --Scottie_theNerd 15:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Redirect I can accept that individual articles may not be appropriate, however, having information on these characters is somewhat desirable. Even if it's unlikely somebody would use the whole title, it's not impossible, and it doesn't cause a real problem, it might even prevent more in the future. So, make a page Characters in the Brothers in Arms Video game series or whatever you want to call it, and merge there. Mister.Manticore 16:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
    • That doesn't address that notability issue. Most of the characters are one-off and have little development beyond what's in the game manuals. Compiling them into one article doesn't make them any more notable, and there are no independent sources. Wikipedia isn't a fansite, and therefore should not be storing in-universe information without any encyclopedic value. --Scottie_theNerd 17:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Not really an issue for me, since the games themselves are notable, and if there's not enough information to make a characters page, I'd be comfortable with redirecting to one on just the individual game. I really don't care if there's an article on the characters or not, but the game's article should at least describe the characters in it. I don't insist on independent sources for simple biographical information. Now if say, one of those characters got compared to Jesus, that would be something for which an external reference would be needed. Otherwise, if it's in the game or the manuals, I'm satisfied that it can be sourced.. Mister.Manticore 17:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
          • I agree with the gist of what he has just been saying in this comment. Mathmo Talk 03:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Brothers In Arms: Road to Hill 30. These characters have no individual notability, but I wouldn't object if they were mentioned *briefly* in the appropriate game article. --Alan Au 17:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Commment: In the likely event that it is merged/redirected, keep in mind that these characters span all three games. --Scottie_theNerd 01:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment. Right, sorry I wasn't specific, but I meant that characters should be moved to their corresponding game, not just the one. --Alan Au 16:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Mister.Manticore. Or similar. Mathmo Talk 03:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. W3stfa11/Talk to me
  • Delete - Mentions as they relate to the plot of their respective video games are all that is necessary. Wickethewok 22:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all into List of Brothers in Arms characters per Pomte Characters in the Brothers in Arms video game series or something similar and per WP:FICT point 2. Articles on individual minor characters should be merged into a "list of characters" for the whole work of fiction. -- Black Falcon 07:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Note to closing admin: I would be glad to do the merge and subsequent cleanup if someone would drop me a note on my talk page after this AFD is closed (assuming, of course, it's closed as merge). -- Black Falcon 07:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
      • I can also follow through on the subsequent deletion of the category. -- Black Falcon 07:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to List of Brothers in Arms characters by the convention in Category:Lists of video game characters, with Black Falcon to the rescue. –Pomte 06:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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