Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princeton High School

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The result of the debate was KEEP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikkalai (talk • contribs) 20:09, 3 Jun 2005 UTC.

[edit] Princeton High School, now moved to Princeton High School, Sharonville, Ohio

Nothing separates this from the thousands of other high schools across America. It should be deleted. Crotalus horridus 01:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep pending the outcome of discussions at Wikipedia:Schools. Kappa 01:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - I don't think this is going to pass BEEFSTEW. - Barfooz (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • BEEFSTEW is just a list somebody drew up. It isn't a bad idea but my problem with it is that it seems to discount things that one would want to know about a school (sports, academics, etc). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Useless collection of generic facts about an insignificant school. This is not an encyclopedia article. Individual schools are not inherently encyclopedic and there is nothing to distinguish insignificant schools like this one from thousands of nearly identical schools around the world. WP:NOT states "Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base, that is, it is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia." Gamaliel 01:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • WP:NOT goes on to say "there is a continuing debate about the encyclopedic merits of several classes of entries" and doesn't say anything about deleting all schools. Kappa 02:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per the deletion policy and general consensus on Wikipedia. —RaD Man (talk) 03:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. nonnotable. And wrong title, by the way. Mikkalai 03:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: as per the deletion policy and general consensus on Wikipedia. Unless the article demonstrates that this particular high school is significant among high schools, it has no identity and cannot be discussed. Every donut shop "affects thousands of lives," as does every phone book, every traffic light, etc. Rows of things performing identical functions are not responsible for nor creditable with the individual experiences of that function. Geogre 03:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • This donut shop analogy is kinda surreal. Anyway if there was a general consensus to delete high schools, schoolwatch would get them all deleted instead of the reverse. Kappa 17:30, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Revolución 04:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. NoAccount
• Keep, at least pending schools discussion. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:17, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. CDThieme 04:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - offering the International Baccalaureate program indicates to me the school is notable. Valid stub but needs to become an article. DS1953 05:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• IB programs are common and not notable. Gamaliel 05:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• That may be your opinion and you are entitled to it, but at least in Illinois applying the word "common" to IB programs would be a real stretch. And as long as we are stating opinions, I think to put a school stub on VfD two minutes after it is created is absolutely ridiculous. The whole purpose of any stub is to create an article. Regardless of whether a school should be "notable" to get an article, I would venture to say (again, only my opinion) that most people who are voting to delete are doing so on the content of the stub without any investigation of the "notability" of the school. Give it time to develop, IMO. DS1953 14:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Maybe in Florida, but there are a great many states that have a mere handful of IB schools (sometimes only one). Mike H 19:25, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Verifiable and NPOV. DoubleBlue (Talk) 06:09, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Schools belong on WP. They also serve as an excellent starting point for new Wikipedians. --Unfocused 06:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Sharonville, Ohio#Education, which already duplicates most of the text. Average Earthman 08:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Merge as per above and delete- Skysmith 08:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Question I understand the merge--I can understand someone wanting to do that--but why delete? Redirects are cheap and anyone typing or wikying to the name of the school would still get a link to the information. So why delete the redirect? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Good question, and having done a quick google I think the name should be used as a disambig (linking to the education sections in the geographical articles rather than redlinks), since there appear to be numerous high schools in the US with that name. Average Earthman 09:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I teach at the school - and in fact began this article on 5/22/05, then posted a link to it on my webpage asking my students (those from the advanced placement and IB program mentioned in the article) to improve upon it. They have begun to do so already. The school is significant within the Cincinnati area and within Ohio - just having been named #1 fund-raising school in the nation for Leukemia & Lymphoma (raising over $35,000 this year) and having a student score a perfect 2400 on the recent SAT. The article needs improvement, yes, but not deletion. As a rookie, I am thoroughly open to advice - particlarly from the user who mentioned that the article title was incorrect. Just checked the BEEEFSTEW page and understand a bit better. Gimme a couple of days to write a better article before evaluating, please. --phschemguy 08:38, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. Merge would also be acceptable. Quale 08:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• delete completely and utterly non-notable schoolcruft. Dunc|☺ 13:59, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• keep. Here we go again, perfectly good school stub. I think this is the only public high school within the Princeton City Schools area and it's got over 6,000 students (how on earth do they cope with that? this must be a massive institution) --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] End discussion please

I urge everybody accept the fact that this vote will end in 'no consensus', and to not increase VfD size by adding more votes. See also Wikipedia:Schools. Radiant_* 09:59, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

• keep please it is important and verifiable too Yuckfoo 18:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Princeton City School District, Hamilton County, Ohio, per my proposed naming convention and post the material there. PedanticallySpeaking 18:56, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Princeton City School District, Hamilton County, Ohio --Carnildo 20:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete another cookie-cutter school. Denni☯ 20:31, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
• Keep. It was only funny when Neutrality did it. Ketsuban has spoken. The debate is over. 20:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I may be biased, since my first cousin is a recent graduate, his brother is a junior there, and I've attended many swim meets and other athletic events on their impressive campus over the years (and played many a touch-football game on the Princeton Middle school grounds across the road). Still, they have a near New Trier High School-like status, (which is exactly why my aunt & uncle shelled out big bucks to live in that district). They are not just "another cookie-cutter school" (as was my high school, unfortunately). --Jpbrenna 22:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Merge is the correct choice here. The school district is already set up at Princeton City Schools. All votes to keep should be ignored since the article at Princeton High School has to be a disambig page. This shows the weakness to those who vote to keep everything without considering the impact or the logic behind that choice. Vegaswikian 04:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
  • "Needs disambiguation" is not a reason for deletion. Kappa 04:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
    • That's why I said MERGE. I did not say delete. But in any case, that article needs to be a disambig no matter how the VfD turns out. Vegaswikian 04:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
      • But if all the keep votes are ignored, it will be deleted. Kappa 05:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Who is suggesting that the keep votes will be ignored and the text will be deleted? My position is that it needs to be moved or merged. Vegaswikian 07:13, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, schools are notable. User:GRider/Schoolwatch Klonimus 05:54, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, schools are generally not notable. Cedars 12:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Preference is to merge with school district. But I'll pass and go with the discussion consensus. — RJH 18:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep If you want to stop timewasting please close down your hopeless attempt to reach a partially-deletionist "consensus", which will not be accepted by inclusionists CalJW 18:24, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Neutrality^talk 04:22, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Please end the discussion, as stated before. But anyway, *keep.192.152.5.250 15:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and expand. WP:SCH. --BaronLarf 00:13, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This article has been significantly improved upon since it was listed on Schoolwatch. [1] --Bahn Mi 19:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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