Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Portland High School

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 20:39, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Portland High School now moved to Portland High School, Portland, Maine

• "It's located in Portland, Maine." is barely even a bloody stub! I don't want to get into that ridiculous "every school is notable" nonsense, but if somebody wants to start an article they should know more about the topic than its geographical location! Delete -Soltak 19:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep please doing this all the time is totally against jimbos wishes Yuckfoo 19:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• As I mentioned initially this is completely independent of the schools debate. This vfd is motivated by an article devoid of content. If recreated later with actual information, I would not nominate it for deletion. -Soltak 19:43, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• delete no content. It can be recreated when someone has something to say about it. --Tim Pope 19:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Please note that we have a speedy criterion for articles that merely rephrase the title. Gazpacho 19:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I hope that this article demonstrates how utterly bankrupt such a policy is. I had never heard of this school, but with only the title of the school and its location I was able to write an undeletable article in a few minutes. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• speedy it, but if recreated with verifiable content, then it should be kept. Brighterorange 19:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• Page has been tagged for speedy deletion -Soltak 19:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. King Middle School, also in Portland, has a similar VfD entry. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I did what the person who nominated this article should have done instead--what we are supposedly here to do--research and expand. This is the second oldest high school in the US, the third high school to be established in the new country, and among its famous alumni were Robert Peary and John Ford, the award winning movie director. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 16:53, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Something in your research is wrong. At least 4 schools founded pre-1800 still operate in the U.S.: the Phillips Academies, Boston Latin, and Milton. Christopher Parham (talk) 17:20, 2005 August 6 (UTC)
    • Second oldest public HS in the US. DoubleBlue (Talk) 17:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Thanks. You're right. My edit said that the school was the second older public high school still operating in the US, but I omitted the word public in my vote here. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• remerge following undeletion. --Tim Pope 17:01, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep verifiable and NPOV schools. DoubleBlue (Talk) 17:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Nothing was undeleted. The article was properly recreated after I speedily deleted the contentless and unhelpful subsubsubsubsubstub that had been created. Kudos to those who turned it into a proper article. FCYTravis 17:54, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • FWIW, if the article was only It's located in Portland, Maine (and indeed it does look like a Maoririder article), then I agree with the speedy delete. DoubleBlue (Talk) 18:01, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I believe it was undeleted and merged. The history shows no deletions, although FCY Travis' premature speedy is in the log. This premature speedy shows that people must do some research before pressing that button. That a stub may be uninformative in itself is abolutely no excuse at all. Without a stub there is nothing upon which most of us--particularly the vast majority of us who would not be aware of the school's existence without the stub--can base our research and expand the stub. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
    • There was nothing premature about it. My speedy deletion was based on the fact that it was a very short article with no context - speediable under CSD criteria 1.2.1. The history for Portland High School shows five deleted edits. FCYTravis 23:44, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
    • You're not the only person to use an extremely questionable interpretation of the "no context" clause. Of course it had context, it stated clearly that Portland High School was in Portland, Maine. With that context the stub was expandable. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 09:53, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notable. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:04, 2005 August 6 (UTC)
• Following rewrite my vote is keep Everyone knows I rarely vote this way on a school article, but I think the age of the institution confers notability. -Soltak 19:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep - notability clearly established. Dunc|☺ 20:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep now that it has been made into a good article, and its notability has been made clear. Salsb 20:48, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, yet again. Next time try improving the article instead of deleting it. —RaD Man (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I would've tagged it for deletion even if it wasn't a one sentence stub. Schools aren't inherently noteworthy. And before anyone even gets started, I know that Wikipedia isn't paper, but it's also not a junkyard. The only reason I changed my vote to keep was because the age of the institution is notable. -Soltak 21:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'll be watching your taggings carefully for a while. There is no CSD for a school article on grounds of non-notability. You were right to bring this to VfD. It would have made more sense to do some research--it's what you're supposed to be here for. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:55, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
    • You appear to have misunderstood. I'm well aware that there's no CSD for non-notability. I tagged the article for speedy deletion, and that request was favorably acted upon, because the original article had no content other than "It's located in Portland, Maine." What I was referring to was the fact that I personally believe that the majority of articles regarding schools do not belong on Wikipedia due to the fact that while education is inherently notable, the buildings where instruction occurs are not. It would've made more sense to actually read my statement before commenting -- it's what admins are supposed to be here for. -Soltak 22:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Wrongly speedied articles, particularly schools, are always resurrected (I should know, I usually do it myself). It is wrong to speedy an article on a school solely because it only correcly locates the school--that is all we need to expand it. I'm taking the liberty of moving the school building/homeschooling debate to the talk page of this VfD. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 10:01, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - notable alumni, second-oldest public HS in the USA. ESkog 16:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as rewritten. Gazpacho 17:00, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, new version shows acceptable level of notabilityGateman1997 23:40, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Notable enough. Beta_M ^talk, |^contrib (Ë-Mail)
• Keep. Please do at least some research on topics before resorting to deletion. VfD is crowded enough without pointless nominations like this one. Factitious 22:08, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.