Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persian (pastry)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --- Deville (Talk) 04:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian (pastry)

Contested prod; article is about a pastry produced by one non-notable baker, delete --Peta 00:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - some spam was removed as a result of the prod but this fails WP:OR, WP:V (quite a few articles on persian pastries but nothing this one as far as I can see), and WP:PASTRY WP:CORP. Yomangani^talk 00:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Yomangani. I would also like to express my disappointment that Wikipedia does not have a guideline for pastry notability. —dustmite 00:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Appears to be a real thing local to Thunder Bay, but not quite so real that we can verify with reliable sources. Oh, and dustmite, the proposed pastry guideline is actually at WP:PUFF. It's in the early stages, though, so I don't think we can use it here. William Pietri 01:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Changed to keep based on Jdclevenger's edits. Bravo! William Pietri 15:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - "To this day, the yummy cinnamon-bun-like creation remains exclusive to the city" Self-admitted NN pastry. If it ever becomes popular outside of the city and verifiable, can be recreated. VegaDark 01:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep per source verifying some of the claims. Still needs a rewrite deleting some of the original research but it does appear as if this pastry is one of the city's claims to fame. Doesn't look very notable outside the city, but it looks as if it does go beyond one baker. Barely passes keep criteria with reservations towards its notability. VegaDark 03:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - I have de-yumified the article and included a number of citations. It certainly could use more re-writting but it is less sugary. It is very clear from Google that the Persian is available at a large number of establishments in town and has been around long enough to have a number of competing claims to its creation. So it is not a simple promo/vanity by a single baker. Also, interestingly, there is a claim that it is named for Blackjack Pershing (I have included this on the page). Regarding the relability of sources, it appears in a goodly number of different "what to do" pages about Thunder Bay. This is about what one should expect in a not-so-media-dense place. I'm sure the next time that Frank Bruni or Johnny Apple from the New York Times is in TB they will do a write-up. Til then, I think the voice of the locals is sufficient. Finally, I think is exactly the sort of regionalism that is important to preserve and document. Jdclevenger 02:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Your work is definitely persuading me. I'd love to see more, though. William Pietri 04:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: - I appreciate your realization and support. I'm a former resident of the city (born and raised) and I can tell you that the pending inclusion of the Persian to the Wikipedia database has many locals raving. Not only is it the city's claim to fame, with the dying pulp & paper industry in the region it seems that the emerging industry is tourism - and the Persian is just one more thing that the local economy thrives on.--Quaresimaj 20:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I have rewritten the entry again. I think it now has an encylopedia tone. I need to add one or two citations within the text, although the external links are basically what will be used. I am doing a little outside research and would like to add a little more "meat" to the article if I can find out any more info.Jdclevenger 13:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep We do have articles about all kinds of obscure regional specialties, so why not this one. Especially after Jdclevenger's good edits. Luigizanasi 14:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; nice cleanup job and these are at least as notable as any other regional cuisine specialty. Bearcat 19:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per work done by Jdclevenger. Agne 17:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.