Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Zalewski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus - notability established by a Tripod site and a Google search? Doubtful - Tripod sites are self-published by definition and very unlikely to be reliable. But challenging assertions to notability is the responsibility of those arguing for deletion, and there hasn't been enough participation here to reach a consensus. AfDs like this should not prejudice against future attempts to gain a real consensus. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pat Zalewski

Pat Zalewski (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable, unless you are impressed by things like "initiated three people into the 7=4 level." Leibniz 19:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Don't be so harsh, there is some hope in the form of statements like "By 1975 he was chosen to compete as a New Zealand team member in the IAKF World Karate Championships in Los Angeles," which implies he might have represented his country in some karate event. But this article is totally unsourced and we cannot overlook that, hence delete unless sources are provided. Kavadi carrier 19:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

*Delete as per comments of User:Kavadi carrier. Changed to weak keep in light of establishment of notability by User:Tonywalton Xdenizen 20:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: notability established by http://members.tripod.com/worldkarateunion.org/id63.htm et al. Tonywalton  | Talk 21:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, whether or not he is notable, it was an interesting, albeit very confusing article. E.g. He seemed to receive the 6th dan about 3 times. Some of the terminology must be explained, I'm not sure whether the "temple of doom" or whatever the names was is a made up name or an official karate term. The various martial arts also seemed to merge into one as if he were some kind of paganist new-age occultist fictional hero.

--Mike 00:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Pat Zalewski is renowned as an occult author having published many books. He has headed a number of occult organisations. He is also an accomplished martial arts athlete. I am presently engaged in research at a university and they certainly consider him a reputable source for material. If he is reputable enough for a university then he is reputable enough for wikipedia. I feel your remarks on this page, and your talk page, regarding occultists demonstrate a lack of objectivity in this field. "I thought someone could argue that being "7=4 Adepts and co-chiefs of Thoth Hermes Temple" asserted notability. You never know with these occultists. Leibniz 20:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)" Perhaps you could refrain from editing (or requesting deletion of) pages you have an evident bias about.

Morgan Leigh 05:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.