Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opposition to Iran-Iraq War

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 18:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opposition to Iran-Iraq War

This page is not about opposition to the Iran-Iraq war but rather about why it was bad. It violates NPOV and contains original research about that. The only statement about opposition to the war (this is cited with a source) is a quote that "large numbers of Iraqis" opposed the war. Unless someone has any real information for this article, so it can be completely rewritten, it should be deleted. LittleDan^talk 17:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete OR, POV, and, the main problem, there's really nothing here about opposition to the war, just a bunch of mainly anecdotal reports on draft-dodgers and deserters. Trying to stay alive is not the same thing as opposition to the war. Fan-1967 17:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deserting, fleeing, and hiding are acts of opposition. If one wants to protest, then it get beaten the heck out of it, killed, or tortured in Iran. There are both sources and external links for further reading.

If you believe that there was no opposition and people thought the war was a boon, then add your sources and alternative approach.--Patchouli 19:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No one has claimed that there was no opposition, but your article has not cited any. Check out every other article in the anti-war category. There are descriptions of demonstrations, speeches, press articles. That's opposition. None of that here. Let's face it, both Iran and Iraq used their draftees as disposable cannon fodder. Deserting or evading was not "opposition"; it was survival. Fan-1967 19:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly our point of disagreement as I believe "Deserting, fleeing, and hiding are acts of opposition," much like boycotting something or a strike.--Patchouli 20:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That might be true if you could provide verification from reliable sources that these acts of desertion and evasion were motivated by opposition to the war, but there are no citations to support that. Given the casualty rates on both sides, deserting and evading seem like perfectly logical actions. Fan-1967 20:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not because of the concept of the page, but because of it's current poor quality. Not much substance and citations relating to the topic name itself. Deet 00:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Opposition/Criticism pages should be about a verifiable phenomenon of people criticizing something, which this page is not, and they are only needed when including the same material in the main article would make it too long. And of course, WP is not a soapbox for editor advocacy against any government. Gazpacho 00:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

comments moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Opposition to Iran-Iraq War

• Delete. Per everyone. --Mardavich 22:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete.Lacks any kind of encyclopedic value. - Marmoulak 23:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - As per everyone else.Khosrow II 00:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I can easily believe that an article could be written on this topic. This article, however, doesn't begin to cover the topic in an encyclopedic way. --Richard 08:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

comments moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Opposition to Iran-Iraq War

• Keep. Rename to Conscription in Iran-Iraq War and tag for cleanup. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or perhaps Merge with Iran-Iraq War, this line "The Islamic Republic also is reported to have aplied unparalleled methods to intimidate fleeing military personnel" is just silly, check out SMERSH and Order № 227, deserters from the American Civil War were branded with a letter "C" on the cheek to show that they were cowards. As per above this is survival not opposition. L0b0t 13:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The SMERSH article doesn't say anything about pursuing deserter to entirely foreign nations to murder them as Iran sent agents to Switzerland.--Patchouli 14:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.