Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oniket Prantor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. Exactly what happens to this article (merged or not etc) doesn't need AFD to decide. Petros471 18:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oniket Prantor

Is every single music album in the world going to have its very own page on Wikipedia? The admin who closes this AfD may kindly delete its redirect page of Aniket Prantor as well. Regards, ImpuMozhi 03:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Per above. ImpuMozhi 03:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The band is apparently notable enough to have a page, and I see no reason why the album shouldn't be as well. Delete this, and there's a LONG list of albums that would go as well. fuzzy510 03:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• I'd say delete, but I'd say that about a substantial majority of the albums that have their own articles. Then again, this one doesn't say anything about the album, so it's pretty much listcruft. Opabinia regalis 04:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional Keep. If the band passes WP:BAND, there's no reason why the album should be deleted. BoojiBoy 04:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Question: to clarify: every album by an admittedly notable band can/should have its own page? Every single one? Opabinia regalis 04:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. Keep. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: I'm not familiar with the band, but this nomination seems soley based on deleting a majority of album article. Deathawk 04:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is the same argument used in defense of the other Artcell album. The band has established its notability. A separate article for this album is the only logical location for detailed information on the album itself as well ast track listings. Both David Bowie and Rod Stewart has separate articles for 22 of his albums. Rod also has seperate articles for several of his singles. To use a less-popular example, the band Iced Earth has 7 articles on its albums, many of them stubby tracklistings like this one. So, the precedent has been set that if a band is notable enough for an article, so are its albums. Adambiswanger1 04:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Artcell, without prejudice. If the article had more about the album than just a track listing, then I'd be inclined to keep - on the basis that once the notability of a band has been established, there is no harm in having an article per album, provided the article actually contains useful content. Paddles ^T_C 09:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • As the article currently has information on label, where it was recorded, producers, musicians, and other worthwhile information, does this mean that you're more inclined to keep? --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • That's a fair question. Currently I'd say no, because it's nothing more than the equivalent of a credits roll on a TV program. I was thinking more about textural information about the style and/or significance of the album. Paddles ^T_C 15:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Artcell, and likewise redirect any album or single article which is nothing more than a track listing. If you can't say anything more about the album than "was an album by *band* with these tracks" it's not worth being there. Confusing Manifestation 14:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Not that your position is the standard, but since this album provides significantly more than a tracklisting, does your opinion on this article change? --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Well, given that the additional information is merely credits apparently mostly copied from the liner notes, no, especially if none of the people/places/things mentioned in said credits is notable enough for their own article (if, say, Mick Jagger or George Martin had had a hand in making the album, my vote would shift to Weak Delete or maybe even Weak Keep). Confusing Manifestation 15:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• So your rationale, in fact, has nothing to do with the information, but the who? --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I, personally, am not concerned with the amount of information on the article. That can always be added later. The fact is, this page is the only possible place where a tracklisting could go. Adambiswanger1 17:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, it is pretty standard practice that albums by performers meeting the WP:MUSIC criteria are suitable material for standalone articles.--Isotope23 18:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Question: Did they? (Meaning, did they pass an AfD? ~ trialsanderrors 22:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, nobody has ever brought Artcell to AfD. Assuming good faith, Artcell meets WP:MUSIC (and they do appear to under clauses covering touring as well as prominent representative of a notable style...)--Isotope23 13:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Artcell; there's nothing wrong with an article on an album as long as it's actually an article. As it stands this is just some basic information without context / reviews / commentary on larger social significance. When such information is added, it can be recreated as its own article. Ziggurat 01:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable band, so the album is also notable. Merging album info, even if there is little else beside production notes and track listings, would lead to long, unwieldy band articles. An exception could be if only one album was released. --Joelmills 04:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn, no context. Tychocat 10:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Adambiswanger1 and Joelmills. Spacepotato 16:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The first progressive rock band in a country of about 140 million people? That sounds notable to me. Again, I've never heard of them, probably will never get one of their songs BUT BUT BUT to use my own preferences to make AfD decisions would fail to work as part of the WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias: WP:CSB. Interlingua ^talk

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.