Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OZ-06MS Leo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, strong indication to merge. I have added the merge tags, editors experienced with this topic should do the actual merge. W.marsh 18:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OZ-06MS Leo

OZ-06MS Leo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

OZ-07AMS Aries (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

XXXG-01S2 Altron Gundam (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Mobile Suits of the Maganac Corps (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

MMS-01 Serpent (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

OZ-02MD Virgo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

XXXG-01H Gundam Heavyarms (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

XXXG-01SR Gundam Sandrock (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

All "articles" are completely unsourced. Non-notable fancruft and/or original research. There is not one assertion of a connection to the real world as per WP:NOT#IINFO or notability on the show, for that matter. They are just merely plot summaries. All were deprodded by an IP spa 88.104.240.51 (talk • contribs).

And if you vote keep for this article, make sure you do provide some evidence of real world significance or notability, otherwise you're not addressing the concerns raised. MER-C 07:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The real world connection of these fictional mobile suits is that they were the primary vehicles used by the characters in a 49 half-hour episode anime series based on the successful Gundam franchise, and which in turn has a 3 episode OVA series that was later compliled as a single anime movie, three multiple-issue manga comics, and several model kit releases directly resulting from this series.

From WP:NOT#IINFO, point 7 (Plot Summaries) - Topics within a work of fiction however may not have a real-world context, and should be referred to their parent articles. (Mobile Suit Gundam Wing, which while not the best, could be improved with the addition of further information proving it was the first Gundam anime to be translated, dubbed, and displayed into English with a mainstream release [as far as I know, I could be wrong]). I interpret this (quite liberally) as meaning that "If the parent topic can prove its importance, subarticles derive their real-world importance from the parent article, as long as the subarticles are written from an out of universe perspective". If POV is a problem, that can be fixed through editing as opposed to deletion, see this edit from XXXG-01W Wing Gundam as a possible example. Wing Gundam derives its real-world importance from being the primary weapon and vehicle of fictional character Heero Yuy, who derives his real world importance from being a major character in a anime from a major franchise that has been released in at least ten countries and dubbed into at least three other languages.

From Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), point 1 (major characters) - Major characters (and places, concepts, etc.) in a work of fiction should be covered within the article on that work of fiction. If an encyclopedic treatment of such a character causes the article on the work itself to become long, then that character can be given a separate article. By the time you include the basic information and an image for visual identification, each 'suit' would add at least a screen-length to whatever article they were merged into. So, as a practical matter, it should be included in an individual article.

I would like to keep, pending a rewrite, but as the majority of the information would come from interal verification (episode/manga citations, info released by the prodictng company and/or the company producing the models), this may not be possible. If so:

1. Merge all content verifiable through episode and manga citations to two holistic lists; After Colony era mobile suits and After Colony era Gundams Mobile Suits in Gundam Wing, with Gundams in Gundam Wing as a subpage. (edited -- saberwyn 00:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC))
2. Or, merge Leo, Aries and Vigo to an as yet uncreated Organization of the Zodiac article (currently a redirect, fleshed out with material from After Colony Nations and Factions and List of After Colony characters), merge Serpent to an as yet uncreated article on the Mariemeia Army (fleshed out as above), merge Maganac Suits to an as yet uncreated article on the Maganac Corps (currently a redirect, flesh out as above), and merge Altron to Chang Wufei, Heavyarms to Trowa Barton and Sandrock to Quatre Winner.

Then, provide equal treatment to all articles in Category:After Colony mobile suits to ensure consistency across the subject. -- saberwyn 09:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete all and make appropriate mention in the article on the show of those things which are of highest importance to the overall plot arc of the show. If these fictional devices have articles that are too long for the original article, then by all means edit them down. It is not necessary or desirable to write lengthy original research pieces which are the editor's description of what he sees in a TV show, to tell us every detail of what happened in the show. If someone is that curious, they can rent a DVD and watch the show. Does not meet WP:N, WP:FICT WP:V or WP:RS. Edison 18:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge into a single article List of Mobile Suits of Gundam Wing or some such title, which would serve the purpose of collecting this information in one place, which I believe would be more convenient usage for everybody. If you want sources on the mobile suits, believe it or not, Bandai does produce this information themselves. Not to mention the various guidebooks to the Gundam universe. The existence of which, I think serves to establish notability as well, at least as whole, even if not in part. Mister.Manticore 19:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

PS, you've only nominated a few of the entries in Category:After Colony mobile suits, is there a reason you didn't nominate the others, or was that your own oversight? Mister.Manticore 19:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and Rewrite: Merge articles together and remove the history information from those articles since only the Characteristic data on this suits is whats needed and the history information is already stored on the character pages and if possible to avoid too much information such as too much detailing on a mobile suits abilities. One Idea I had is to put the main characters on it's own page and the minor and grunt mobile suit information on another such as List of Minor Mobile suit in the After Colony Era. -Adv193 01:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to their pilots, where those pilots are noteworthy enough to have their own article. Also merge to a List of mobile suits in Gundam Wing or something along those lines. Shimeru 19:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: I don't like the idea of having a mobile suit article on a character page it would be more respectful to move the Gundam Technical info to their own combined page. -Adv193 01:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge per Adv193. Info is not notable enough for its own page. Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 22:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.