Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ninja Looting

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to MMORPG terms and acronyms. It's a neologism, but it's already mentioned in the target article so redirecting seems to be the obvious choice. Nothing useful to merge either. - Bobet 16:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ninja Looting

After looking, I can't find any Reliable Sources for this, and apparently nobody else can either, since it's been tagged as {{unreferenced}} since January. The content also seems unencyclopedic. I don't see that the suggested merge to MMORPG terms and acronyms is a viable option, since none of the mergable content is verifiable. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 16:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not verifiable per nom. alphaChimp ^laudare 16:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's not a hoax or anything, but it's such a minor aspect of the game that it's much better off in a game-specific wiki. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Would like to say merge, but no good sources are listed. xompanthy 18:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. RandyWang (^raves/_{review me!}) 21:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Its an incredibly common term in the game World of Warcraft and you will probably fin it all over thier boards at the very least--Stilanas 23:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep or Merge into something. I've never heard this term used, although it is a real thing in online games (note that I'm not part of any MMO communities, although I've just gotten into WoW, so I'm guessing it's a valid term). I think with some forum research something could be dug up. -- gakon5 01:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Forums are not considered reliable sources. You need something more along the lines of a book citation or a magazine article about it. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 02:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Forums are not considered reliable sources for alot of things but given that the claim is whether or not people on internet communities use this term and that its notable, then I would say the fact that its slung about so much on message boards is evidence enough. --Stilanas 03:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're concerned about it not being mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, there's a brief dictdef (minus all the unsourcable stuff) already present at MMORPG terms and acronyms. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 02:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to MMORPG terms and acronyms I guess, but that is a horrible article. Kotepho 06:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to MMORPG terms and acronyms since there is already short info about it there. Crazysunshine 09:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge I cannot possibly explain the usage of this term in almost any MMO where people have to loot. There are maybe 20 million people a day using this term oddly enough. Its probably the most common MMO term to date spanning titles of WOW EQ etc. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 12:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Fnd me a pair of Reliable Sources and I'll be happy. If it's really notable, then it shouldn't be that hard, right? -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 13:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary has an entry [1] although I guess UD has an entry for everything. World of Warcraft wiki (wowwiki.com) has an entry for Ninja Looting as well. The [somewhat] almighty Google Test yields us 105k results; putting it in quotes lowers that down to 20k. Although in it's defense, a lot of people just use the term "ninja" in the context of ninja looting. -- gakon5 14:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary is not a Reliable Source, and neither is the World of Warcraft Wiki. Books and magazines are what we're looking for here, or at worst online articles with reputable news organizations. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 22:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that we're dealing with internet jargon, the kind of things you probably aren't going to find in paper sources (more gaming jargon than internet I guess, but still internet to an extent). -- gakon5 06:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Its so notable that companies that create MMO's have policies regarding it by name [2] I am sure if you searched Gamespot or IGN or better yet Penny-Arcade you will come up with tons of sources. How can anyone say its not notable and not even search for the term, ninja loot, ninja looting, etc--zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 15:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If it's just that easy to find sources, then I'll withdraw the nomination if you can find two sources for "ninja looting" that meet WP:RS. Otherwise, I have to stick with my position. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 14:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge - It's not verifiable really, so it can't be kept, and it'd just be a dicdef anyway, but yes, it's a widespread term that any gamer would know, and can be merged per Zer0faults above. --PresN 22:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge I don't even play mmos and I know what it is, and the trouble it can cause (even If I think it's over the top). There seems to be alot of hostility towards gaming terms, mods, games and associated things from my time editing wiki. EDIT Sorry, forgot to sign. Macktheknifeau 03:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not hostility specifically toward gaming/gaming terms (at least on my part), so much as hostility toward entries that are purely dictionary definitions, and entries which can't meet our policies on verifiability. This one is both. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 12:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you stating that 1000's of google hits doesnt show verifiable proof that the action of ninja looting exists? That MMO developers have a specific policy on it does not show that it exists ... --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 20:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That is correct: Undifferentiated Google hits do not satisfiy Wikipedia policy, specifically WP:V. You may also find Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Using_online_and_self-published_sources to be helpful, since it explains why the vast majority (if not all) of those Google results are irrelevant for our purposes here. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 21:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to MMorpg terms ... --Peephole 16:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)--
• Merge into MMORPG terms and acronyms like the tag on the page suggests. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.