Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niles North High School 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Woohookitty 11:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Niles North High School

NN, D. ComCat 01:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete public school. Gazpacho 02:16, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• keep please just because it is about a public school does not mean we should erase it that does not even make sense Yuckfoo 02:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - Utterly un-notable. Sunray 02:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep schools are notable, stop putting them up for deletion. -Greg Asche (talk) 02:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep, this school is notable, as are bridges, stations, battleships, and pokemon. Silensor 03:05, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This article has been up for two weeks, give it a chance. At any rate, the school is notable. The some of the interior scenes in the movie Sixteen Candles were filmed there. (Maybe I'll just go add that fact to the article.) Crypticfirefly 03:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sixteen candles certainly makes this school notable. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 03:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Not really - its useless trivia which should be put in the movie's article if it is really worth keeping :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 04:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I respectfully disagree with Ryan Norton. John Hughes surely knew this school when he was growing up and has used a number of schools in the area as locations for his films. The fact that he chose Niles North as a filming location shows that its atmosphere fits into a certain idealized type of midwestern "upper middle class" high school. Crypticfirefly 05:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
      • You see - it was in the movie precisely because it was not notable - because it was just like every other midwestern "upper middle class" school out there. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, of course :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 05:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
        • No, I don't see, and I still think you are wrong. Information that a film was made at a location also belongs in the article for that location can make that location notable. The school was in the movie due to having a certain look -- being a quinessential example of such a school-- and being in a certain location. I doubt that Hughes sent out a team to look for this location, given where the school is he almost certainly was familiar with it from his personal life. Furthermore, assuming the information were added to the Sixteen Candles page, wouldn't it be more elegant to mention the school and then link to an article with more information about it (location, info on architecture, etc.) than it would to put all of that in the Sixteen Candles article? That is what hyperlinks are for, after all. Especially since the article currently has no information about where any of the scenes were filmed. Crypticfirefly 12:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
        • The demands for "notablity" of schools (not a valid criteria for deletion of schools in the first place) by deletionists are getting increasingly baffling and incomprehensible. This school was used in a major motion picture, front page of the Chicago Tribune and already has some listed notable alumni. The fact that this school has these clearly notable events in it's history just goes to demonstrate how pointless it is to argue "notability" with deletionists in the first place. This institution is inherently notable anyway - waiting for deletionists to subjectively call out the particular instances of notable events and then argue about them is just a waste of time; after all, we have so much to do voting to keep on other school articles!
  • May I perhaps add my two cents about this matter? Although it is certainly trivial knowledge, adding that information just to the sixteen candles articles is a disservice. Consider the following situation. I'm researching, say, facts about schools in this school system. I may not have the wherewithal to search and look at all the hits, I may just look for articles on each of the schools. In this case, having the article serves a purpose. Sure, its not much of a purpose, but in the case of things like schools (who are not here trying to get hits or sales), as far as I'm concerned, any reason is a reason to keep. What's the harm? To trot out the old standby, we're not killing trees. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 15:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Still a School Stub --JAranda | yeah 04:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nothing here differentiates it from the other schools - thus it is non-notable Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 04:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Use in film meets one of my criteria for a school to be notable.  BD2412 ^talk 05:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep.  ALKIVAR™ 05:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Nominating schools is a waste of everyone's time. CalJW 06:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as usual, and for the benefit of viewers of Sixteen Candles who might like to know more about it. Please consider attempting to reach consensus instead of voting to delete schools. Kappa 06:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: I strongly agree with Kappa's "please reach a consensus" point. Debating schools, at length, almost daily, here at AfD is a sad waste of intellectual energy.

• This is not consensus - in fact its obvious there is no consensus. Until both sides agree to do something with these terrible "articles" this debate will continue every day here. I already suggested making school district articles and moving it there instead, but the keep all schools side does not agree, so instead we have this - every day. At least on the keep side things have degenerated to cut n' pasted arguments - give me something about the particular article that makes it noteworthy, not a keep all schools argument please. Oh, and comments like "Nominating schools is a waste of everyone's time" is just going to make things worse. Something needs to be done here, and just deleting everything or keeping everything is not the answer. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 13:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• What is obvious is that 85%-90% of school articles nominated to VfD/AfD this year are not deleted. 85% not deleted over the course of a year sure sounds like a concensus to me. It may not be a concensus to keep or a concensus to delete, but it is a concensus about something. As though the arguments to delete from the deletionist side aren't every bit as tired, facile and formulaic as you are suggesting the keep arguments are. Case in point, this very article is nominated with the oh-so-impressive and intellectually rigourous comment: "NN, D." by none other than a deletionist usual suspect.--Nicodemus75 18:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep for being a high school. Sixteen Candles is a nice plus. I find it interesting how an article for a school teaching 2,300 is being seriously looked at for deletion but, at the same time, an album which had a total of only 33 copies on tape and is just a track listing, is getting a near-universal keep vote. When somebody tries to make an article for a single class of 33 students, I'll AFD that, but a 2,300 student ongoing school stays in my book. --rob 06:47, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• keep non-notability not established --Isolani 06:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Skokie, Illinois. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Merge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:34, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nn school argument. Agree with Ryan Norton's point per the only possible claim to notability. School should be mentioned in the 16 candles article. Dottore So 10:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Enough WPians (and I am not one of them) are convinced schools are inherently notable, and they have reasonable arguments supporting their position. Let them have their articles. Xoloz 12:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep No more school nominations. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Abstain - would have been delete per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Delete, but someone did try to put some decent information in, and I'm hoping that with Gyu-whatsit from yesterday it'll start a trend. But being the location for a movie isn't that notable. --Last Malthusian 14:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep because movie inclusion confers notability... even though most of the other keep votes are based on lousy reasoning.--Isotope23 15:14, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep High Schools. — RJH 20:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable. Marskell 20:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Public School doesn't equate to irrelevant Makenji-san 22:13, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete That a student held this school in high enough esteem that s/he was ready to auction it off indicates to me some relative value of this school. Emminently non-notable, even as a pile of bricks and mortar. No more non-notable school articles. Denni☯ 00:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep --Vsion 04:35, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Schools that are much more non-notable than this one were kept before, so it is foolish to not be consistent with votes now.Amren ^(talk) 13:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not consistent. Denni☯ 22:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
    • That doesn't mean it shouldn't try to be. Kappa 23:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Be careful what you wish for. There was a time high school articles did not have carte blanche entry to Wikipedia, and the suggestion that elementary schools should have articles was laughable. If Wikipedia were consistent, this would not have changed. Denni☯ 00:27, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for reasons already expressed by others. --Loopy 00:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Emminently notable, even as a pile of bricks and mortar.--Nicodemus75 18:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per precedent regarding schools. Dystopos 04:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep high schools. -- DS1953 04:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable Dudtz 10/12/05 8:34 PM EST

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.