Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngangangese

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. DS 19:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ngangangese

This article is ostensibly about the Ngangangese language, which is supposed to be one of two languages spoken by the "Ching" people. I could find no reference to a language by this name either using Google, nor on the Ethnologue (which lists over 6,900 languages, and is the definitive authority for all of the languages currently spoken on earth). Likewise for the "sister language" Inginese. I strongly suspect that the language doesn't exist. Waitak 06:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I'm no linguist, but some aspects of the article definitely seem to be hoaxes (the presence of click consonants, for example). BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd also add that if the so-called "dialects" are as wildly different from each other as the article seems to be saying, any kept version would need to be radically altered by someone who knows what they're talking about. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Note The AfD tag wasn't on the article when I checked, so I added it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I was on my way to add it, but you beat me to it! Waitak 06:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - WP:HOAX. I've looked into it too, and this is just silliness. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Note - Our "linguist" can't even spell one of the basic words in the field correctly: "consanants" [sic]. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I think the main thing that gives it away is that it's supposed to be related to "Inginese", but the examples of "Ngangangese" and "Inginese" at the bottom are completely different. Also, it says that the language is monosyllabic (like chinese languages) but the example contains words like "limnada" which can't be expressed in a single syllable. Ultra-Loser ^{[ T ] [ C ]} 06:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note - The author's just deleted the AfD and hoax templates from the article page with the edit comment "Your ignorance cannot prove anything". Not sure what the appropriate action is here. Waitak 07:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the heads-up. The appropriate action is to restore the AfD tag (and the hoax in this case, although the fact that we're talking hoaxes at the AfD probably makes it less than strictly necessary) with a revert and then to warn the author with the drmafd template, since removing that tag is a form of vandalism. I've done both steps. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Delete as a hoax. There are exactly zero Ghits. At first, I thought the write was referring to Chinglish, which is a slang of Chinese and English mixed together, but it's not. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) | Review 07:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Dltee tihs pciee of rbbuish nbopw. Tnhaks pbpeobple! ;) Spawn Man 07:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless properly sourced. Hahah. Stammer 08:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Comedy linguistics. --Folantin 09:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Wikipedia is not a place for things made up in school one day. Or anywhere else, for that matter. Moreschi 10:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete apparent WP:HOAX WilyD 14:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• If this were about Spanish, I'd say Chingese would be an apt description of what should be done with this article. Delete Tubezone 16:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Do not delete this article If you really want to know it IS a language but I just faked the history part of it because I dont want people to know the real history of it for personal reasons. Anyway I was gonna change the history but was merely too busy, wikipedia is not my life! Furthermore why would it be insulting Chinese people? I AM Chinese, so no one here should be questioning that.

• Do not delete ETHNOLOGUE IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE. I went to the China section and searched for my dialect of Chinese, which is the Taishan Dialect, and it was not listed, I question to reliability of that site.
  • I see your question and I'll raise you this page on Ethnologue, which at least mentions the "Hoisan" dialect, which I understand is a variant spelling of Taishan). I can't be sure whether that's the best place to put it, but it's certainly there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Do not delete Ethnologue does NOT account for different dialects and merely classifies them under the same language, DESPITE the fact that dialects are NOT the same. For example in the Korea section they say there is only Korean and Korean Sign Language used in Korea. That is true but there are lots of other Korean dialects as you can see in article about it in Wikipedia. Therefore how do you know that it lists EVERY language, and therefore it cannot be proven for any language to be real off of a site, is every language known to us in the United States? Just because there is no proof does not mean it does not exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoisanpride (talk • contribs).

• do not delete the words limnada ARE one syllable but they are put together because mnada is a sentence ending which you connect to the word li in order to tell the tone of the said sentence...mnada is a sentence ending you use if a word ends with a vowel sound and your speaking to someone you do not know or giving respect, and in this case i do not know you guys. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoisanpride (talk • contribs).

• do not delete I found that the comment about the dialects not being connected is false because not all dialects are the same. example, in Chinese languages, Cantonese and Shanghainese differ completely in that Shanghainese uses multiple syllables in words while Cantonese is strictly monosyllabic. Furthermore while cantonese has 6 tones Shanghainese only has two tones since its language influences were vastly different from those of Cantonese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoisanpride (talk • contribs).

• do not delete people here are making fun of the Inginese writing, and Inginese writing is not me just going "ajkldaf kal;sdlkfa askld;fa" for your info, to SOME people (those who know it) it actually has some meaning and this is very insulting to Inginese speakers —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoisanpride (talk • contribs).

• Comment The burden of proof is on the article's author(s) to provide reputable sources for the existence of this language. Editors should also sign their comments. --Folantin 17:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Why would someone make up an article, people do not have so much spare time these days so this whole thing is stupid. How do you know that you just do not know about the language? so are you saying that if you do not see someone on internet they do not exist? because i can name a heck of a lot of people that are not on internet or in any books or sources but they sure are alive and i see them everyday. This deletion this is wack because sources do not tell all.

• Comment Read this very carefully: Wikipedia:Verifiability. And sign your comments with your user name. --Folantin 17:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Whatever I do not know how to sign because I do not use Wikipedia often, but if Wikipedia is only based on sources then it is not a good site because everything in the world is not on a book or on the internet. Even my teacher says we cannot use Wikipedia as a source because its highly uncredible and the information cannot be seen as true. This is because people like you who think everything has to be written or on the computer, which everything does not have to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoisanpride (talk • contribs).
• Comment That's right. What Wikipedia lacks is more unverifiable hoax articles. --Folantin 18:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  Comment Signing is actually really, really easy - just type ~~~~ and it will automatically put in your username and the date and time. As for sources, keep in mind why others do not allow Wikipedia as a source is because of hoax articles and random nonsense often inserted into articles. While this page may not be a hoax, the best way for you to prove that is to provide sources to verify the information, so that it can be seen as true encyclopedic information. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) | Review 18:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• do not delete i speak Ngangangese with Hoisanpride all the time, in fact its a language among some kids at my school, this is a real language but is not in any books since its just spoken among some students. 75.38.63.149 18:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment Well, you just brought up another reason to delete. WP:NFT Tubezone 18:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment Children love to invent new languages in school - I invented three while in junior high alone. Yet, the fact that two or three students can speak it does not mean it's notable, or noteworthy. Keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia, not a listing of fictional, ephemeral secret codes/languages. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) | Review 18:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Most likely a hoax. At bare minimum, without sources this is original research. IrishGuy ^talk 19:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Gaa being ai li suu zvem lai ksi, o oi luu jaa, ai qaap li ngiu aut uhi ngaam. ai li uhi uuu twel oi saa ngaam yoo tr yoo, xDDDD. aoydp sepgaoy dbg'or depsebtaopqp! xDDD68.121.53.57 20:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Many Chingese people are discriminated against for he ways that they speak and the vast amount of doubt on their language. Examples of this can be seen in this article and the comments people have about the credibility. If you're going to accuse wikipedia of cultural bias on this basis, you better be able to prove your "language" exists. ReverendG 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Nonsense article, which I thought I had marked for {{speedy}} (but memory fails). No meaningful google hits, and multiple edits from the same editor in this page do not change my mind.--Anthony.bradbury 23:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Note to the creator of the article: Don't feel bad about making careful notes about the way you and your friends speak, or even imagining other ways or dialects you and your friends could speak. Observation and imagination about language are hallmarks of an agile mind. But ... a language requires more speakers than a few friends, and Wikipedia is not the place for your original observations, research, and imaginings. By posting this article and insisting for awhile it was real, you created a lot of work for other editors trying to track down references and so forth. Please don't do that again, but please do consider contributing authentic information, with references, about language and your other interests. Newyorkbrad 00:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. If it's not WP:HOAX it's a NN invented language. Pete Fenelon 01:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• thank you I would like to thank Newyorkbrad for being more adult about his comments. Thank you for just telling me how the thing works and what i should do instead of practically insulting my whole language. i dont mind what happens to this page but i just dont want people thinking its a hoax cuz its not. thank you 68.125.110.254 03:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Is that you, Hoisanpride? I think you inadvertently forgot to log in. I'm glad my comments were helpful. Read some of the linguistics articles here (about Chinese languages and other languages) and you'll learn lots more about the issues you're interested in. Newyorkbrad 03:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.