Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newton Earp

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newton Earp

Non notable person, fails WP:BIO. Being related to some famous persons does not make you automatically famous as well. A feeble 66 distinct Google hits, 169 hits in total. This is not caused by the lack of info on historical figures on the internet, if you compare it to the 1.4 million hits for Wyatt Earp or even the 35,000 for Virgil Earp. Newton Earp lived an uneventful life and had an uneventful death: a passing mention on the Wyatt Earp article, if needed, will suffice. Fram 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, the Earp family is notable. Relatives of famous people are notable too, otherwise you might have a lot of work to do. — CharlotteWebb 18:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

ReplyOther articles are normally not considered relevant to decide if some AfD is valid or not, and to decide if some article is worth keeping or not. We have a guideline, WP:BIO, nd I see not one criterion that Newton Earp comes even close to. Those royals at least will have had their share of publicity in the gossip pages, which lifts them barely higher (but I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of them gone). Do you have any reason why this particular person deserves his own article? Fram 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Notability by association in this case is enough for me, given that he did live to adulthood. Mister.Manticore 22:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Newton Earp was a Civil War veteran, and brother to famous Old West figures. Therefore, the article should remain. It could use expansion and further research, but I disagree with deletion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.47.88.133 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 September 2006.
  • Do you mean that we should have articles on every Civil War veteran? Why? As for being family to famous Old West figurines: would you also include articles about Joseph McCarty-Antrim, Susan Lavenia James, or the unnmaed two brothers and three sisters of Calamity Jane? What is the relevance of having an article that states "X is the brother of vamous person Y, but nothing remarkable happened in his life"? Fram 13:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Figurines? I'm going to assume it's a translation error rather than a slur of some sort. Regarding family members, I'd agree with you in cases where only one member of the family is notable, where information about the relatives might be merged to the bottom of the golden boy's biography, but this is different. Deleting this would be like having articles about only four of the Jackson Five. — CharlotteWebb 23:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for "figurines", it was not intentional. I meant figures. And your example is incorrect, since each of the Jackson Five are famous for being a member of the band. Newton Earp is famous for... well, nothing actually. Fram 05:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Newton Earp is not famous, that is correct. However, how many of the Jackson Five can most people name? I'd say two, maybe three. Newton Earp is part of the Earp family, and, much like Paris Hilton, is famous for nothing more than family ties. However, it is notable and part of what shaped Wyatt Earp, as he ran away from home more than once to be like his three older brothers who were serving in the army at the time. I believe the article should remain because it helps identify and define who Wyatt Earp was, and, although the man himself may not be famous, his family is. That's my opinion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.47.88.133 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 September, 2006.

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