Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Wave of American Heavy Metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. – Robert 01:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Wave of American Heavy Metal

Apparent neologism

Delete. Neologism. This term is not in wide use, and I can only find a couple references to it on Google (mostly of one obscure book about the subject). I'm from Massachusetts, and I know that this term is not in wide use there. I'm also a big heavy metal fan, and the first time I ever encountered this term was on Wikipedia. --AaronS 00:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I also haven't yet been able to find mention of this term in any of the other heavy metal articles (for easy browsing, see the template). --AaronS 03:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

For clarification, for those who aren't familiar with the history of heavy metal, there is a New Wave of British Heavy Metal, but not an American one. The former was a turning point in the development of the genre; the latter seems to be the result of the fans of a small subgenre wanting to add a certain level of importance to the bands of their particular form of music. --AaronS 05:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jasmol 04:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - as AaronS points out, this allusion is an attemp to promote a small set of bands as a revolutionary movement on par with the NWOBHM. Besides their questionable claim to notoriety, another issue is that the term "New Wave of American Heavy Metal" has been used before, many times, to refer to many different things. Here, for example, is a book by that title that seems to be about a much larger set of american bands. My point is, I would not consider this a neologism. Despite the nonexclusivity of these bands' claim to the label, if they are _now well-defined and well-known by this term (and I don't know if they are), the page should be kept. I would prefer an article stating that it is an allusion to the NWOBHM and that these(...) are some movements that have claimed the title. Maybe that's what we'll end up with eventually if we keep it. -Meegs 06:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Reply - Thanks for your comment. That book seems to have been published last month, with a sales rank of 165,000 on Amazon.com. Such a recent press and such a small market (and arguably poor sales) suggest that it should not have much, if any, on the influence of such an article on Wikipedia. Furthermore, many of the bands that it lists are bands from other genres, namely thrash metal, speed metal, hardcore, nu metal, and others. Hardcore and nu metal are arguable not subgenres of heavy metal. Some of the bands, like Pantera, are hardly "new". In my experience as an avid metal fan (and resident of Massachusetts, which is apparently the birthplace of the NWOAHM), I can say that, in my experience, this term is nonexistent. I first encountered it on Wikipedia. To me, that seems like a neologism.
    • Coincidentally, I'm also a sometimes-MA resident and a NWOBHM fan. I suspect you're right about the lack of cohesion and notability of this group of bands. I brought up the book only as an example, there are many other diverse uses on Google, though I'm not saying that any of them warrent inclusion either. If the term is neogolism, it is one that has been frequently, and probably independently, rediscovered many times. NWOBHM is pretty easy to lampoon. -Meegs 07:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

To add my two cents to this. NWOAHM is a neoglism term used by verying fans of verying bands that originate from America. I have personally heard it used, most notably in my experience, by people from America, to promote any american band from any genre pertaining to metal in the media's eyes. It has only ever been used in my experience, with bands that the person using it likes. I can find no information from the world wide metal community about it being an actuall movement, at all. Most all the bands on that page are metalcore, and half of them arent even that new. The whole term is neoglism in my view, and the article easily warrents deletion. P.S. Nu Metal is a genre of Metal, with Metalcore's origination being elsewhere. Metalcore can be debated, and if such debates are going to be made on where genres belong, they should be made on the dicussion page of the article for that genre. ~~Leyasu

• delete per nom Spearhead 12:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ifnord 18:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Abscure term used on only a few forums. Cobra 19:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Loudenvier 21:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - if this does exist, the article is sorely in need of references that don't deal with blogs or fansites. B.Wind 04:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Count: that's 7 deletes and 0 keeps, if I am counting correctly. So far, there seems to be a consensus. I therefore upgrade my vote to a speedy delete. --AaronS 17:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.