Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Hampshire Route 118

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The result of the debate was No Consensus - default to keep Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 23:16, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Hampshire Route 118

nn road Delete --Aranda56 02:04, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Keep We keep all the state highways in the US... evidence that California State Route 259 is a short highway, but it has a nice article. This is the sort of article that NH-118 can become... eventually a WP for NH roads will be started and this article will be improved then, if not before... Also note Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Florida State Road 300 and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ontario provincial highway 140. --Rschen7754 03:44, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Comment I would love nothing more to make an NH Wiki, but I don't have the time to learn how or to maintain it. Karmafist 02:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 12:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless expanded. This is a minor road that links a town of 3000 to a town of 1000.
• Keep per policy. Karmafist 14:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

  What policy? Gazpacho

  • I apologize, per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents, specifically the second down in the geography section. I had thought that was policy, but it was not. Karmafist 02:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable roadcruft. I would never support any kind of convention that calls for automatic keeping of anything, least of all road articles. / Peter ^Isotalo 15:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Rschen. ≈ jossi ≈ 15:45, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn transport route. The nearby Boston & Maine Railroad and the Warren to Woodstock Carriage Road have some history, but this apparently does not, so a mention in the town articles and in a list is sufficient. FYI I don't think the CA259 article is so great. Gazpacho 16:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete unless more info is added (history, notable facts...). A mere list of towns and intersections a road traverses does not warrant an article. -- Klafubra 16:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless it can be shown that the road has any more notability than as a path between two points, with a few others in between. Auto-keeping huge classes of articles (I think it's okay to automatically keep any US presidents, for instance, or Kings and Queens of England) is the path to darkness and doom. --Icelight 17:42, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, we keep numbered highways per prior consensus and precedent. Even if this is a bad article it will be expanded eventually as part of a NH highway Wikiproject. Gateman1997 17:58, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I think it would be more accurate to say that they are kept through a lack of consensus to delete rather than a consensus to keep. Lord Bob 18:55, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep all numbered state, U.S. and Interstate routes as products of substantial state and federal-level governmental action. As long as the consensus here is to keep every school, I believe roads are *at least* as notable, if not more so. FCYTravis 18:15, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • No vote on this article, but I feel compelled to object to that last remark. It is not true that there is "consensus here to keep every school." This has been demonstrated time and again for at least two years. In fact the (inactive) page WP:WIWO bears no less than three warnings that "There is currently no consensus about inclusion of schools, and adding your signature here is not going to help create one." Dpbsmith (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Not all roads are notable some schools like Elementary Schools get erased. And most roads are even less notable than that. That is a perfect example.Not ALL numbered roads are notable if we got an article on every road in the world there will be hundreds of millions of articles numbered roads also Probaly a million+ of those out there and We Cant Keep them all. --Aranda56 02:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
      • There are not even close to a million numbered state/provincial roads in the world. If you assumed a rough average of 100 state routes per state, that would be 5,000 articles or so. FCYTravis 03:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, I'd put the number closer to 600 per state, so about 30K articles...but still, that's fewer articles than the geography bots maintain here... -- Grev -- Talk 05:22, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
      • This is not just a road, this is a state highway. I would never write an article about the street I live on. Also, there are 4,000 people who must use this road... more people than are in a typical elementary school. --Rschen7754 03:07, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
      • Yeah I over estimated the number of state roads. But still 5000 is too high and thats a low estimate knowing that there are many more of those.Some State Highways are still Non Notable. There are at least 30 of them in Miami alone and most of them dont got articles and i will place the vfd on it also because its only a road --Aranda56 03:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

These articles don't do any harm on Wikipedia. They're not vanity. This article will eventually be expanded... so why not just leave it until it is expanded?--Rschen7754 03:54, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Also note that there are probably about 5000 highway articles on Wikipedia... are you prepared to try and get a VFD on all of them? So far there has been no consensus to deleting highway articles. Also note Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Washington State Route 900--Rschen7754 04:07, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

• • • • • Most of those roads are notable a few are of course not but they are not state route and im going to place the vfd on them. A few of them are also state routes that are more nn than this and im going to wait to place the tag on those But still its just a road that people drive in. Still nn Not ALL state Highways are notable and this one is even less notable than the ones nominated for deletion --Aranda56 23:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete roads which are not notable for something other than being a road, this one included. Lord Bob 18:55, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep and ban the asshole deletionists. --SPUI (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. SPUI, no personal attacks please. Andrew pmk | Talk 23:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and ban User:SPUI for personal attacks. --Carnildo 23:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I've warned User:SPUI about his spiteful conduct. This is completely unjustified and I'll block him if he misbehaves in any way again. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:57, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment Thanks Tony! Karmafist 02:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, road without the slightest indication of notability provided in the article nor by "keep" voters. There is no consensus, let alone policy, to keep all numbered roads nor even all state highways. Barno 00:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, belongs on a map, not in writing. --maclean25 02:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but consider deleting if it is a really small road. — Stevey7788 (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as shown in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents and noted in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Washington State Route 900, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Florida State Road 300 and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ontario provincial highway 140. Roby Wayne ^{Talk • Hist} 04:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment I quote from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents: "Highways and interstates are notable". --Rschen7754 04:53, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep all state highways. -- Grev -- Talk 05:22, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: what's the difference between a state route and a state highway? I would have no problem keeping a state highway, but state routes may be a bit much, if they are below the state highway level. -- Kjkolb 08:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Some states call them state highways, some state routes, some state roads. --SPUI (talk) 15:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Oh boy. Here we go... In Illinois all numbered state highways are maintained by the state. These are also state routes. There are also other roads that are state maintained and I argue should not have their own article, but some do anyway. So I think author's discretion should come into play, esp. when it comes to historical value. --Rob 15:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • A route is a set of alignments that includes local roads and long-distance highways. Gazpacho
• Keep, but note that if someone in Texas were to start doing Farm to Market highways, there would be literally thousands of very small articles. As it is, each primary state highway presumably has a historical precedent to be legislated into existence, and I feel it is this that should be emphasized in such articles. See Illinois State Route 2. The goal is to make these articles more than mere route descriptions. --Rob 11:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Replying to myself, but I forgot to include Illinois State Route 336 as a specific example of the importance of highway infrastructure. --Rob 15:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep: This article is useful since it's a part of New Hampshire's State Highway system. I can think of articles on Wikipedia that are of far less notability than this. --K1vsr (talk) 17:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep simply because it is a numbered US state highway; from what I have read above it appears that there are some states that number more roads than the norm, but I don't think I've heard that about New Hampshire anyway. This road is also not short (approx 43.3 miles).
  • For a road in the United States, 43.3 miles is short. From where I sit right now, 43.3 miles will just barely get me to another city. --Carnildo 03:25, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I disagree. While relative to many areas it may be short (I'm guessing in central US this could be the case), it certianly isn't so everywhere. There are many major roads in my area that are significantly shorter than this one. They are common in connecting suburban areas to cities. --Engleman 04:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, useless stub.BillyCreamCorn 00:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Quale 01:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

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