Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie McDonald

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning towards merge (which doesn't need deletion tools, a redirect is fine). Mailer Diablo 03:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Natalie McDonald

Nn person, nice story but person is not notable. Should be merged as a little reference into the relevant Harry Potter article, and then deleted. Bjelleklang - talk 00:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. dbtfz^talk 00:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge then delete as per nom. Nice story, but nn, unfortunately. -- MusicMaker5376 00:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per nom into Minor Harry Potter characters, then redirect Natalie McDonald, or even keep. Daughter of a friend of J. K. Rowling, inspiration for a minor character in Goblet of Fire, inspiration for human-interest news story... none of these things are notable alone, but together I think they come close. --Allen 01:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per nom --Deville (Talk) 02:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. --TorriTorri 03:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete don't mean to be heartless but this nn. --Eivind^t@c 04:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I searched all over google and other search engines. All I could find were various fan sites and forums which repeated this story...but not one actual news source. I think this is a hoax. I can't find anything respectable to corroborate this story. IrishGuy 05:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and don't merge, as per IrishGuy. There is a strong possibility that it is a hoax, so it should not be merged unless it can be verified by a reliable source (the article cites a fansite). -- Kjkolb 06:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The character is obviously real, which can be confirmed from the book. The little girl is real: the source quoted in the article is an interview with J. K. Rowling in which she speaks of having met the little girl. If you want to go on record as claiming that JKR perpetrated a cruel hoax you had better find better reasons than "I think it's a hoax". I ckecked the website for the source—Maclean's in Canada—and they appear not to have any archives for 2000: this is why sites like Quick Quotes Quill exist: to preserve ephemeral stuff like this for when it has expired (this is even assuming that this article was ever published online: if it was paper-only, where are you going to look?). As for merging into Minor Harry Potter characters, this little girl is not a character, she is real. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 06:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

comment Nobody said that J.K. Rowling perpetrated a hoax. Rowling wrote a book with a character named Natalie McDonald. Other people ascribed a story to this character that may not be factual. I still have yet to see any confirmation beyond fan sites. J.K. Rowling's official site makes no mention at all of this. IrishGuy 17:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment: the person and the story is real enough, but not notable to have an article of it's own. Would fit better into the list of minor characters, where the background of the character could be referenced. Bjelleklang - talk 11:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep JK Rowling is very very good at dispelling rumors and hoaxes surrounding her books. The Leaky Cauldron, one of the most respected HP sites out there even ran this story, however the best I can do is find the google cache of this since it is rather old. [1] from back in july of 2001. One newspaper that originally ran the story http://www.theglobeandmail.com , only keeps archives to January of 2002, hence the reason it is difficult to find the original. This is a real person and I think notability, (however minor) has been established. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 06:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect. -- GWO
• Merge per above. -- Tangotango 11:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A very sweet story, and I believe it to be true. However, I don't think that a single, one-time name-only mention in any fictional work is enough for an encyclopedia article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Kimchi.sg | talk 17:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect --Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 01:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• ""merge""-71.3.116.233 06:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep not really notable, but the character is OBVIOUSLY, GLARINGLY real. Go do original research and you can see for yourself that Natalie McDonald is in there. For the time being, keep until we can ask J.K. Rowling, WB, or whoever to confirm this story. If it's false, delete before it becomes an urban legend. M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Goblet of Fire or with Minor Griffindors.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.