Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narwee High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mindmatrix 01:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Narwee High School

A now-closed school whose only claim to fame is that a politician once attended there is not sufficient for inclusion in WP -- (aeropagitica)  23:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Longhair 02:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree. Catherine breillat 00:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete We normally Keep High Schools, but I see no use for a closed high school --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 00:33, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • It's a difficult question because Wikipedia is not a news source; if we keep high schools that are open now, we should, in principle, keep high schools that are currently closed. Abstain CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 00:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCH, because the history of this school is imporant to coverage of education in Narwee, and because wikipedia is not a news service. Closed high schools might be more of a merge candidate than open ones. Kappa 01:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This is no longer a school, so is not covered by the Wikischools project. Only claim to fame is as ex-school of PM - should be noted in that article. Does not need article of its own. Batmanand 01:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I think that will come as news to the wikischools project. Kappa 01:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with city or district per WP:SCH or barring that delete it. No longer needed since closed.Gateman1997 01:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Do you really think of wikipedia as a directory? Kappa 01:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
    • No, but I also don't think of it as a dump for a blurb on every school on Earth, especially stubs on closed schools.Gateman1997 01:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Obviously WP:SCH is failing to make any progress. Kappa 02:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
        • How do you figure? If someone expands this article it will meet the keep criteron. But as is it does not.Gateman1997 05:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
          • Deletionists are still trying to get schools deleted, and not showing any respect for the views of the other side. Kappa 05:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
            • Where are you seeing disrespect by deletionists? I see nothing but merge and keep suggestions here by anyone involved in the SCH debate.Gateman1997 05:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
              • Funny thing, Kappa - it looks the same from this side. I also think any concerns you have about WP:SCH have to be examined in the light that you have not participated in discussion there. Had you shown the least interest in showing some respect yourself, I might be more sympathetic to your viewpoint. Denni ☯ 01:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete quid auctor inquit CaveatLector 02:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. The school existed and has a history. It remains important for 1,000s of people and therefore lives on. Do we delete a bio when the subject dies? Maybe we should also delete World Trade Center, Philadelphia Civic Center or the 29 articles in Category:Defunct football (soccer) venues. -- JJay 03:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • and the Roman Empire for that matter... Kappa 03:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
    • ...or Oropom language and the 72 other articles in Category:Extinct languages. -- JJay 04:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
      • That's absurd. Are you really comparing a closed high school to the World Trade Center? Neutrality^talk 04:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Of course, it's absurd. I'm saying the fact that the high school closed should have no impact on keeping the article. What is your reason for voting delete?-- JJay 05:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, I actually prefer working on articles on closed high schools because you don't get the same steady stream of vandalism from current students. - SimonP 04:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Neutrality^talk 04:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. In my opinion, schools are inherently notable even after they close. This school even makes a claim of notability as it is the alma matter of a PM. Movementarian 05:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Normally PM means Prime Minister, not premier. --Rob 05:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I know, I realised he was a premier as opposed to a prime minister after rereading the article. I didn't feel it was important enough to correct. Thanks anyway. Movementarian 07:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. This article potentially could be useful, if relatively obscure. But it will never be exanded if it is deleted. --Hansnesse 07:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep -- where will all the information go? My own school has closed, and there's nothing about my school recorded anywhere online. Is Wikipedia the site to come to for information when all others fail? It can be. Let it happen. - Longhair 07:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep As this is an encyclopedia rather than a newspaper, closure isn't relevant. CalJW 08:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - a school which is now closed has no value in WP - it barely registers as notable anyway, but now that it doesn't exist it has no saving grace. Delete as non-notable. doktorb | words 10:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep as per high schools policy. Or do you intend deleting articles about Eton or Oxbridge if/when they finally close? Jcuk 10:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment That's not the point. This school doesn't have much reason to be notable in the first place, so now that it has closed, it loses all real notablitiy. My former schools have no reason to be listed here and I have no rush to add them just to prove a point doktorb | words 11:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Its entirely the point. Elvis Presley is no longer a singer, should we delete him too? What about Elizabeth I? Or the World Trade Centre? 80.177.152.156 14:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Just because the school is closed does not mean it is insignificant. Even if a politician did not attend that school, keeping an article on it (and expanding it) would be a valuable tool to historians who do not live in the immediate area of the school and do not have access to town records. Is that not one of the purposes of Wikipedia? To provide information that might otherwise be hard to access? Being a former public school, it is certainly significant enough to include in the ranks of Wikipedia. firenexx 15:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the information about a closed school remains germane. Should we delete the article on Hurricane Katrina? It's over! Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• keep. As far as I am concerned, the point of concern here is that the school is non-notable, not that it has closed. The fact that it has closed merely guarrantees that it will not become more notable in the future. The comparison to Elvis is absurd- Elvis is gone, but he became notable before he went. This school did not. Im not terribly familiar with WP:SCH, but it seems to me that it considers high schools to be relevant, and I dont consider the dead/alive aspect to be of particular relevance. -Lanoitarus _^(talk) .:. 19:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep, even if this school is now closed. Carioca 19:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - it looks like valid (granted, somewhat minor) historical info to me. --Bookandcoffee 19:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notable. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - Simply not notable. --Thorri 22:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Whether it is closed or not is irrelevant. Wikipedia should record the past as well as the present. --Zero 03:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. High schools are notable (as has been established a hundred gajillion times), especially if important politicians are alumni. Open/closed status is irrelevant. - Randwicked 03:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this one, not least because the current Premier of New South Wales attended the school. --Daveb 15:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Closed or not, this school is notable. Evil Eye 00:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with city or district per WP:SCH Denni ☯ 01:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The current Premier of the state went there, for chrissakes. Ambi 01:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. We don't delete articles on people just because they're dead. School seems to have a notable history. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Per precedent; notability is not an issue here. -Rebelguys2 22:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - per WP:SCH, closed or not. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 23:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong ^Talk 13:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.