Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moshe Dwek

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The result of the debate was keep. DS 00:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moshe Dwek

This nomination has more to do with verifiability than with notability. If the contents of the article are true, then the subject is (IMHO) notable and worthy of inclusion. The problem is: I can't verify the contents of the article. Googling on "Moshe Dwek" returns only four hits, none related to the article's topic. Googling on the alternate spelling of "Moshe Douek" returns only two hits, neither related to the article's topic. The news link provided within the article directs to a webpage that is written in Hebrew, and to a newscast that is spoken in Hebrew. The Geocities link simply has a picture with some Hebrew script. And the Jewish Virtual Library link mentions the hand-grenade incident, but doesn't name the perpetrator of the incident. I'm hoping that someone with greater google-fu than I — perhaps one of our brethren or sistren interested in Israeli history and politics — might shed further light on this subject. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 13:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Have you tried posting a note on the Hebrew Wikipedia, or asking a English Wikipedian who speaks Hebrew for clarification? - Mgm|(talk) 20:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Conditional delete. The incident probably happened, but there is no support that Dwek was the perpetrator, and the walla.co.il page is not about Dwek - it just blogs all the minuscule parties from Israel's turbulent political history. One chap (whose email address is listed) asks what happened to Dwek (דואק) and his party Tarshish (תרשיש), which means Tyre or Tarsus. I find it hard to believe there is no record available of a convicted felon starting a political party. This could still be a hoax. JFW | T@lk 22:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep. Adequate support presented. JFW | T@lk 00:24, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - IM NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. I AM THE ONE WHO PUT UP THIS ARTICLE. I AM DOING RESEARCH ON THIS TOPIC .MOST OF THE INFORMATION HERE I TRANSLATED FROM THE HEBREW WIKIPEDIA. HERE IS THE LINK http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%95%D7%90%D7%A7 you many email me at sammyusa123@yahoo.com. Note: I speak Hebrew, English and Yiddish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hebrewpride (talk • contribs) 22:23, 3 December 2005.
    • Please stop writing in all-caps, sir/madam. Thank you in advance. El_C 23:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • The page on HE is in no way supportive of the present allegations. It contains no sources, and Special:Whatlinkshere only lists the Shapiro article (the politician wounded in the 1957 bombing). JFW | T@lk 00:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

From an authoritative source:

1957 רק לאחר שמשה דואק, המעורער בנפשו, השליך רימון לעבר שולחן הממשלה ב-29 באוקטובר

[1] El_C 23:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Here is another authoritative source which mentions dwek by name and confirms everyting I have written.

This is from Israel's daily MAARIV http://www.nrg.co.il/online/archive/ART/401/237.html

Here is another source. I found this on an Israeli forum where someone offered the archives of DWEK'S party TRASHISH for sale . The aforementioned seller also leaves his 2 telephone numbers. I would love to know if he still has them or not. Heres the link http://www.findabook.co.il/main/forums/all.asp?Fnumber=18&page=13 He's the subject of my research (I left that comment on the walla site) and i find it amazing that theres very little info on this man. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hebrewpride (talk • contribs) 01:06, December 4, 2005 (UTC).

  • Keep After looking up the Hebrew word for hand grenade (somehow I missed that one all these years), I read the story above, and yes, it does in fact verify that Dwek threw the grenade, started his own party Tarshish, and somehow got 700 votes. (I also found a few other places which confirmed these facts, all of them thogh in Hebrew). I've been trying to find an English language site which mentioned Dwek's name for hours and come up with nothing. Also the Hebrew wikipedia site does mention Dwek and the grenade on his page as well as on the page of one of the ministers who was injured in the attack. I'm really sorry I can't seem to find an English page that confirms this, but it appears that only the Israeli media ever bothered to mention the man by name. --Bachrach44 21:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Withdraw nomination ∾ In light of the comments from El C, Bachrach44, and the original author of the article, I withdraw my nomination. I suspect this article is about as verified as it's going to get in English. If JFW feels up to withdrawing his conditional delete, someone can speedy keep this article. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 00:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
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