Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mong (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep, nom withdrawn. Mangojuice^talk 16:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mong

An unneeded disambiguation page, and one previously deleted: Mong (AfD). All three uses given are basically slurs; encyclopedic uses of those terms will be extremely rare. (See Spong for one of two examples that uses "mong"). The existence of this page, when it isn't useful as a disambiguation page, amounts to a dicdef. Mangojuice^talk 13:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. According to Hmong_people, the Hmong are sometimes called the Mong. Of course, in English 'Mong' is far more often used as a slur against the mentally handicapped, as a contraction of 'Mongoloid'. I'm rewriting the disambig to more adequately reflect this. mgekelly 00:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. --physicq210 01:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep To be specific, "Mong" refers to people who speak the Mong Leng dialect of the "Hmong" language. Based on recent calls for more recognition of Mong Leng culture and language (especially within the United States) it is likely that more people will searching for this term.--Nposs 04:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I just looked at the previous AFD for this article and it was very poorly handled. The nominator actually wanted it redirected to Hmong, which s/he should have done him/herself rather than taking it to AFD. Understandably, once it was up here, other editors supported this nom as if it were a deletion, but without producing new arguments, and an admin wrongly took this to be a consensus decision to delete. Really I despair of the way people treat AFD as if it were a vote. mgekelly 06:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - That mentally handicapped people are referred to as "mong"s should be sourced. If it's removed (as bollocks), this should be a redirect to Hmong --Storkk 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to this, I looked the word up in the OED. The OED points to an obselete verb usage meaning to trade, a contraction of 'among' and two noun usages, namely as a contraction of 'mongrel' and pejoratively in this sense, and as a pejorative British term to mean a stupid or mentally incapable person, but the OED does not give an etymology from 'Mongoloid', or any etymology for this usage at all.

Interestingly, the OED does not list the Hmong meaning, or indeed the word "Hmong".

I shall change the disambig to cite the OED on this. mgekelly 16:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per the comments above. Yamaguchi先生 07:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.