Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mini Kiss
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 15:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mini Kiss
- Delete: No released albums, I see nothing that would help this meet WP:BAND. --Hetar 08:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, nn band :: Colin Keigher 09:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment: Will you please investigate before you claim nn. They are notable all around the World and not just an ordinary cover band. --ElectricEye 13:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Also, WP:BAND are "merely rules of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind". Electric eye also notes that WP:BAND says: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, DJ etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: ... For performers outside of mass media traditions: ... Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture. NPR has covered them after many many many local publications around the world have covered them". For great justice. 22:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Will you please investigate before you claim nn. They are notable all around the World and not just an ordinary cover band. --ElectricEye 13:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep They are notable in local music scenes around the World. --ElectricEye 13:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- See MiniKiss: Life in a Little People Cover Band, NPR, Pop Culture, April 14, 2006 --ElectricEye 13:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: They also had a bit on MTV's Best Week Ever this past week, and pretty much treated as a sick joke on a par with circus geeks of a bygone day. This may be crossing the notoriety bar, if not in a way they might appreciate. RGTraynor 14:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as per ElectricEye. NPR is a reliable source for determining noteworthiness. Captainktainer 16:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - this is being deleted because the nominator is not interested in little people bands, and so thinks that no one else should be able to read about them. This highlights the problems with the concept of notability. Just because they have a relatively targetted audience, someone will think we should remove them. For great justice. 21:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - User:For great justice, many articles go through this process and it helps to bring about discussion. Stay objective and comment on content. Making personal comments about others ("nominator is not...."), can get one into trouble in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia's policy on personal attacks. Wikiki!!! ^_^ --User:ElectricEye (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks EE, I did not think that there was anything in my comment that could be called a personal attack. I don't think the nominator would disagree with my reasoning, but if they do, I would invite them to correct me. For great justice. 22:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - User:For great justice, many articles go through this process and it helps to bring about discussion. Stay objective and comment on content. Making personal comments about others ("nominator is not...."), can get one into trouble in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia's policy on personal attacks. Wikiki!!! ^_^ --User:ElectricEye (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - I am a little surprised that they could be regarded as a band since they were reported in Hustler magazine in 2004 as: "The band isn't really playing their instruments. In fact, their guitars are made out of wood, and they're singing "karaoke-style" over a Kiss CD." I was advised by the main editor of the Mini Kiss article that "lip-synching is a common practice amongst cover bands." While that may be so, are cover bands that don't even play notable - surely not as bands, perhaps as entertainment acts?--A Y Arktos\talk 22:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- comment Take a look at Lip-sync#Singers_that_have_been_caught_lip-synching before you make a case that singing your own material has anything to do with being a band. Splitting hairs about when a 'band' becomes an 'entertainment act' is going to have huge repercussions on other articles. For great justice. 22:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I would distinguish between those who have ben caught lip synching and those who have never done anything else. I understand that Mini Kiss only lip synchs, hence presumably why there are no recordings. Those listed at Lip-sync#Singers that have been caught lip-synching have all claimed to make recordings. I assume people go to see them because they like the music of Kiss and they like looking at little people.--A Y Arktos\talk 23:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I would not presume to know why they go to see them, but the issue of lip-synching, whether sometimes or all the time, is a red herring as far as deletion goes. For great justice. 23:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- comment Take a look at Lip-sync#Singers_that_have_been_caught_lip-synching before you make a case that singing your own material has anything to do with being a band. Splitting hairs about when a 'band' becomes an 'entertainment act' is going to have huge repercussions on other articles. For great justice. 22:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - Oh, I wouldn't remotely consider them notable as a band. That they do seem to be notable on their own is another matter altogether. RGTraynor 22:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - I am a little surprised that they could be regarded as a band since they were reported in Hustler magazine in 2004 as: "The band isn't really playing their instruments. In fact, their guitars are made out of wood, and they're singing "karaoke-style" over a Kiss CD." I was advised by the main editor of the Mini Kiss article that "lip-synching is a common practice amongst cover bands." While that may be so, are cover bands that don't even play notable - surely not as bands, perhaps as entertainment acts?--A Y Arktos\talk 22:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep:I have seen them multiple times on VH1. They are definitely notable. -Bottesini 23:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep but the article needs to be expanded and sourced. Wstaffor 01:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, cult band, treated as notable by media like Village Voice, even though the whole spectacle reminds me of what Lenny Bruce said about well-intended freak shows. Monicasdude 03:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep: Although I don't believe the band to be of particular notability in the music realm (I'd be wary of them calling a cover band, perhaps cover performers would be the more accurate representation...), I do believe they are notable. ALthough I hadn't heard that particular NPR piece, they were mentioned in a question in last week's Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me! (stump the listener I think?). Although I don't particularly respect this kind of exploitation (the one in process by the performers themselves), I won't allow that bias to ignore the likely notability of this band. However, the article needs and will need a lot of work. ••\\/\//esleyPinkha//\/\\•• 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to have received news converage. Fagstein 05:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep they're notable now (why, for the life of me, I don't know) due to a spat with another (you, dear reader read right-- there are two) all-"vertically-challenged" KISS tribute band over whom should exist... Pat Payne 22:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - the session on Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! of the April 15 show was based on LA Times article of 11 April. They are notable, but as per not just me above, as performers or entertainers, not as a band.--A Y Arktos\talk 22:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
