Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midwest FurFest

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 01:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Midwest FurFest

Midwest FurFest (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This convention has no claim to notability. It had only roughly 1,000 attendees last year. It is copy of an article from wikifur, a wiki which by consensus is considered non notable. [1] [2] [3] BigE1977 20:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Well, there are sort-of claims to notability ("it grew to 1066 attendees"), but without any third-party (i.e. non-Furry-related) coverage, we can safely assume it's non-notable. Sandstein 21:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Furrycruft (sad that this word has to be used daily on AfD). --- RockMFR 22:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Six years of history (to be seven this week - it's on this Thursday through Sunday, already filled up both main hotel and overflow), and that's not even considering the time it was the furry track at Duckon, which started in 1993 (the track continued, but note the significant drop in 2000 as the furry part transferred to MFF). Significant coverage in Vanity Fair [4], which unfortunately resulted in the convention actively refusing further press requests - not that that stopped MTV's Sex2k doing a TV episode on it two years later called Plushies and Furries (transcript). An incorporated charity ("Midwest Furry Fandom"), with revenues over $40000 last year. Considered one of the three "major furry conventions" in the US (compare Anthrocon, Further Confusion). GreenReaper 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Public service announcement: The above links feature disturbing pictures of grown people in costumes. Well, the Vanity Fair article is not actually about the event, it just uses the event as a backdrop to report on furries in general, and in the TV report, only one interviewed person mentions it once in passing. No indication of notability under WP:ORG for the charity. Sandstein 22:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, Sandstein and RockMFR. Putting aside the inherent weirdness of it all, the article is basically an ad. --Aaron 22:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Laughing Delete - obvious ad for non-notable subject. Moreschi 22:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean up, as 1) this is notable within the domain of interest, and 2) furry fandom is notable enough to have not only its own entry series on Wikipedia, but a running Wiki on Wikia. See notes from GreenReaper above for notability contentions. Granted, this - and a few others - are almost direct copy from WikiFur. --Dennisthe2 00:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Per WP:N, being "notable within the domain of interest" isn't enough, it's got to be notable enough to have substantial third-party coverage. Also, this isn't about furry fandom in general, but about one particular event. Sandstein 05:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, indeed. With this in mind, I would then say weak delete - only because the article exists on Wikifur already. --Dennisthe2 03:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Aaron. Walled garden article. Does not even say what a "furry fan" is. Could be people who root for the Tribbles in Star Trek, or who donate to PETA, or who wear mink stoles, or who need a shave. No evidence of notability in the form of multiple independent coverage in mainstream sources. Edison 06:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Most of the article appears to be a copy and paste from the Wikifur article here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Midwest_FurFest . If this could be cleaned up I would vote to Keep. Anomo 04:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean up, possibly merge information with more notable subject article, perhaps furry fandom. - Gilgamesh 05:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - reluctantly; a 1000-person conference once per year isn't notable, in my opinion. I think there ought to be a separate article called Furry conventions, which would include full info on minor conventions, including others that also have short articles now (and should be deleted); such an article would also have small summary sections and wikilinks to articles about major convention (there seems to be at least one; I didn't go through the list of wikipedia articles here to see if there were others). John Broughton | Talk 18:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.