Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Hogan (poet)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Deathphoenix ʕ 20:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Hogan (poet)

Apparently copyright violation ([1]), and in any case I am not sure that he's notable enough. Delete as written. --Nlu (talk) 06:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep Delete but remove the copyvio in it. He is a published author, and the movie, One Man's Hero is real, though I note most of his books seem to be self-published, which is not much on the notability scale. Mister.Manticore 19:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

However, it does seem that the author of the article if MfxHogan, which makes it a vanity article. Mister.Manticore 19:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I see no copyright violation and wonder what is gained by deleting the Hogan articles from wikipedia. Hogan´s writings offer a unique perspective from an intellectual who also has extensively experiencesd life and culture in Latin America. All of us will be diminished if the choice is made to delete.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Hogan_%28poet%29" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mfxhogan (talk • contribs) 17:54, September 25, 2006.

No copyright violation. This material is in the public domain. Also, Hogan's books (with the exception of Mexican Mornings) were all published buy university presses and small presses, not vanity presses. He's as notable as Jimmy Santyiago Baca and has won most of the same literary prizes including the NEA. In addition, his credit as historian appears on the Berenger movie and his book is a best seller in Mexico. Do not delete. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mfxhogan (talk • contribs).

How can it be public domain when that Web site has a prominent: "© 2000 Michael Hogan" on it? You can't have it both ways. Either it's you (in which case it's vanity) or it's not you (in which case you have no right to authorize its use). --Nlu (talk) 07:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems like the copyright notice on the author's page is to protect the images. The other information, date and place of birth, books published, etc. is clearly in the public domain: birth records, books in print, Directory of American Poets, etc. I am not the author but it seems to me that this entry should stay whether it was submitted by him or his wife or daughter, or just some fan. He is a well-recognized writer and certainly appears as author of many books on amazon.com, has several articles in monthly review, alterinfos, and seems to be pretty famous in Latin America.,etc. We wouldn't turn down a page on Clinton just because Chelsea submited it. 200.52.124.151 20:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)Melissa When I google Michael Hogan+Mexico I find about a hundred entries mostly referring to the author's articles on Latin Amnerica, his books on history and poetry. Fairly notable in Latin America, I would say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.116.194.50 (talk • contribs). I feel a little responsible for this thread. In my work as a professor at the University of Guadalajara I was browsing through Wikipedia to see how discriminating my students might be in their online research (on various subjects), when I came upon the site listing all the "Michael Hogans". Noting that the "American poet" was listed but there was no biographical info, which seemed both a necessary and an easy blank to fill in, and being short on time but wanting the info to be as accurate as possible, I simply emailed the poet himself and suggested he provide the data -- never imagining that questions would arise as to his "importance". I think the copyright issue has been thoroughly addressed, so will just briefly concentrate on why an entry on this writer is of value. I and my colleagues, in the U.S., Mexico and other countries, have all had students of various ages who very much wanted to research both the work and life of Michael Hogan, poet (and historian, essayist...) He has been a working, regularly-published writer since the 1970's (the majority of his publications by respected U.S. presses, and the few seeming "self-publications" having been sponsored by well-known Latin American educational institutions -- choices of presses having been made in response to requests by educators on both sides of the border, and in other countries, for more immediately-available texts.) He has worked with many other poets who are inarguably part of any "canon" of poetry in English (Baca, Bukowski, Ginsberg, Piercy, Stafford, etc. etc.) and is well-known as a valiant and gifted director of successful programs aimed toward both advanced and under-served communities of writing students. He also maintains strong links with other writers and scholars throughout the U.S. and Mexico, in Ireland, Italy and Germany, etc. -- another reason that his presence on the "world-wide" web makes particular sense. And, if breadth of readership were a criterion, the fact that his work currently appears in important English literature anthologies (by the most established U.S./international publishers) and thus reaches hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of students, would be motive enough to have his background data available to them. If actual authorship of this wikipedia entry is of concern, there are various of Hogan's colleagues throughout the world who'd compose another version -- as I noted at the beginning, my concern was for accuracy in the entry, and that has been achieved.Lmayo 01:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Prof. L. Mayo, Univ. de Guadalajara User's third edit. Note also that the article says he is married to a "textile artist and historian Lucinda Mayo".

He has worked with many other poets who are inarguably part of any "canon" "Worked with" is essentially a meaningless statement that says nothing about the actual work -- or value thereof -- of the actual subject of this discussion.--Calton | Talk 06:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unless verification of claims made. Small and university-press poetry books, per se, say nothing about the actual notability, fame, importance, or quality of the poet. --Calton | Talk 06:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

KEEP: See among others: History Net http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=32002876521003 and MexConnect at http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/acogan/acbkmexmornings.html Also, Paris Review poetry http://www.theparisreview.com/viewissue.php/prmllD/72 and American Book Review http://www.litline.org/ABR/Issues/volume13/133.html and listing in Poets and Writers at http://www.pw.org 148.244.181.86 22:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Melissa

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