Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Dupee

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Carabinieri 14:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Dupee

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This was marked for speedy deletion, but it is well-written and has plenty of assertion of notability. I think the real question is, are there reliable sources for this guy? There might be, there might not be. But I'd rather let the community decide what happens to this article. No opinion. Grandmasterka 07:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete nn game show contestant, other top Jeopardy contestants have been deleted in the past. Booshakla 07:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Doesn't seem to be notable or newsworthy. It'd be one thing for his name to be mentioned in some list of quiz show winners, but a full article is not warranted. Pseudomonas 17:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Include Michael Dupee is one of the best jeopardy players of all time. Plus, lots of people know him from playing his online games at MindFun.com. He is not a person of merely local interest. His online radio trivia call-in talk show is also becoming popular among people who like trivia. Next week, he is going to start hosting Jeopardy Tournament of Champion winners as guests on the radio show. This is sure to be a popular segment.70.171.58.219 18:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Include This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page. Additionally, many other notable Jeopardy contestants who did not do as well have biography pages on Wikipedia. Michael is within the scope of the Biography project. Adding additional sources is a good idea.Zana4 18:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Please note that being within the scope of the project has nothing to do with whether the article meets biography guidelines. --Dhartung | Talk 20:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Include I was sitting on the fence about this article, but now I'm inclined to keep it since it lists sources now, and is well-written (no surgery is necessary to bring it up to standards). There are sixteen articles about Jeopardy! contestants on Wikipedia, by the way, which is a very tiny percentage of the number of people who have appeared on a popular show that has been running for decades. It's not like Wikipedia is dealing with an avalanche of Jeopardy-cruft, unlike say, Pokemon-related articles. I don't think removing this article is helpful, and I hope the new editor who wrote it stays around to contribute further to Wikipedia. - Itsfullofstars 19:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Inclusion is not proof of notability; the other articles may well be subject to deletion as well. --Dhartung | Talk 20:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The only thing even remotely close to this is a blurb on emory.edu's online magazine, mentioning Mr. Dupee's winnings. Anything else is either official stuff from Jeopardy or what appear to be fan pages. We need some reliable third party sources here (of which the Emory Magazine may count, but we still need more), and without those my vote will stand. --Dennisthe2 19:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable game show contestant. —ptk✰fgs 19:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless evidence he passes WP:BIO is presented. --Dhartung | Talk 20:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Include.Per above.--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 20:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Don't include. Having an article in the scoop of a WikiProject is meaningless, and so is having other articles on Wikipedia with a similar subject. As I see it, the article doesn't provide a single reliable source about the notability of this multiply Jeopardy! winner, and all the existing ones are lists of Jeopardy! winners and players which only provide his name (e.g. this and this). It also seems that the most of the article consists of viewer's original research rather than verifiable facts. Michaelas10 (Talk) 21:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Dupee has no records on the show and it not especially notable outside of the show. Robert K S 08:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
• Include Although Dupee currently has no records on the show, that is mostly because of the multiple changes in the show's format since he competed. He is a highly notable Jeopardy champion because he wrote the book which most contestants use to prepare to go on the show. Thus, all competitors know of Michael Dupee, and he is certainly notable enough to be one of the 16 Jeopardy contestants who are biographied in Wikipedia.75.200.104.42 21:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Clarification In contrast to Tom Walsh, Dupee never held any winnings records on the show, which should be requisite for notability barring notability outside of the show (as are the cases for Ohio State Treasurer Richard Cordray or children's author Linda Sue Park). If Dupee's forthcoming radio show is deemed to establish his notability outside of his involvement in the show, this should be considered. But his authorship of How to Get on Jeopardy! and Win! doesn't qualify him. It wasn't a huge seller, it's out of print, and it's mostly known only within the Jeopardy! community. Nor does his stewardship of several (wonderful) web sites/games make him notable. ToC champ and Google employee Ryan Holznagel also has a great web site (Who2.com), but none of these is enough to establish him as notable. Robert K S 11:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Clarification Dupee's authorship of How to Get on Jeopardy! and Win! does qualify him as notable. That book is the book that most Jeopardy! competitors have used to prepare for the show for the last several years. If everybody in a specific field is using a particular text to learn how to do something, then it is notable. His book is the "Joy of Cooking" of Jeopardy!-preparation. Every copy ever printed sold and it was going into reprints when the publisher went bankrupt for completely unrelated reasons. The used copies on Amazon have historically been difficult to obtain and highly priced. Lately, the used copies are more attainable, but that probably is because there is now so much Jeopardy! info on the internet (thanks to certain persons like yourself, Robert K S, the extraordinary writer of the online J! Archive), which is in stark contrast to when Dupee's book was published. Plus, Dupee's 2nd book was a best-seller, being sold at all stores, including Wal-Mart, book stores, the Scholastic Book Fairs, and through Publishers Clearing House. It even had a sequel. Plus, TOC champ Ryan Holznagel is highly notable. He, in fact, is the next person that I was thinking of writing a Wikipedia page on. His web site Who2.com is really a cool site. It is a comprehensive trivia encyclopedia of biographical information.Zana4 04:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    • If you like the Archive, credit and thanks goes to a number of people, listed on the site. Robert K S 09:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Include Ken Jennings, the 75-game Jeopardy! winner, also regards Dupee as a Jeopardy! legend, detailing Dupee's Rocky-like preparation for Jeopardy! in his book, Brainiac: Adventures in the Curious, Competitive, Compulsive World of Trivia Buffs. Ken Jenning's book, The Emory Magazine article, and The Alligator newspaper article are reliable third party sources.70.171.58.219 05:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete almost all the refs are to blogs which are not reliable sources. It all seems utterly trivial and NN NBeale 23:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• Include Several reliable 3rd party source have now been added as references, including The National Law Journal and The Orlando Business Journal.70.171.58.219 05:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment - this IP address has now said "Include" three times. Pseudomonas 06:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.