Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/McMartin preschool

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 11:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] McMartin preschool

NN, D ComCat 02:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Withdrawn. Preschools are not notable, but this legal case apparently is. Sorry for not withdrawing this earlier but my free time is limited. ComCat 05:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom Bwithh 02:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep the longest and most expensive trial in US history is non notable? Why? CanadianCaesar 03:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree with CanadianCaesar. It's obviously an important article. 68.61.255.12 03:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: the preschool sexual abuse furor is definitely encyclopedic and N -- er, notable. The article might be better titled McMartin preschool case or something similar, though. - squibix 03:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep: I Agree with squibix--FRS 04:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • If kept, rename per squibix. Saberwyn 04:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. A very notable school. Durova 05:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per Squibix Denni ☯ 05:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as an important and famous legal case, noted as the most expensive trial in the history of the United States. One has to wonder if the nominator even bothers to read the articles. Silensor 05:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable historic legal case. Concur with renaming. The article is about the legal case, not about the school. Note, however: There are perhaps a dozen or so links in the Wikipedia to McMartin preschool that will have to be fixed. ♠DanMS 05:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
    • You're aware that moving the page will create a redirect from the old location to the new one, right?
      • Of course. But it’s always better to fix redirects where we can. Every redirect fixed takes a little bit more load off of our terribly overloaded Wikipedia. ♠DanMS 03:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename as per Squibx. Our guidelines on merging and moving state that a redirect is automatically created when an article is moved so it shouldn't be a problem. Well-known case with at one least one book being written about it The Abuse of Innocence: the McMartin preschool trial see [1]. 30,900 Google news results for "McMartin preschool" see [2]. Capitalistroadster 06:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Obviously notable. --William Pietri 06:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - notability established. I think this might be my first keep vote on a school-related AFD. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 07:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Does it count? The article's about a criminal case that involves a preschool, not about a preschool. Saberwyn 08:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I can't imagine why this was nominated. -Willmcw 08:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep malformed afd Dlyons493 Talk 08:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Major court case. Nominating this article with a "NN, D" is rubbish. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, keep, probably, but I have to agree that the McMartin case may well already be covered. We may be looking at duplicate content one side or the other. Geogre 10:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
    • If there's a duplicate article on the case, perhaps you can find them, by going to an article it should link to and go through whatlinkshere for that article. Pereferable that article would be about a person involved in the case, to make sure you have a limited number of links to check. - Mgm|(talk) 10:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
    • I've had a very brief cruise searching "McMartin" via Wikipedia search, and the only results I can find regarding the case link directly to this article. There is a redlink in Pulitzer Prize for Criticism pointing to 'McMartin Pre-School child molestation case', but nothing else links to the uncreated article. Saberwyn 12:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename per above. - Mgm|(talk) 10:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename The article is about a legal case not the school. Catchpole 12:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep extremely notable case. Dottore So 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Carina22 12:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • For clarity's sake, rename McMartin Pre-School case and redirect. This should never have been nominated, in my opinion. Perodicticus 12:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Nominator has history of AFD abuse, please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ComCat Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. ComCat strikes again with the inability to even Google[3] a topic before declaring it non-notable. Perhaps a rename and redirect, however. -- Kaszeta 15:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or Merge Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. David D. (Talk) 17:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename. Marskell 17:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename per above --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Normally preschools would be "delete and/or merge" even per developing consensus at WP:SCH. However in this case this is an obviously notable preschool so KEEP.Gateman1997 19:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Bad faith nomination. Nominator obviously did not even read the article. Disrupting WP to make a point? Turnstep 02:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep and Rename as McMartin Preschool Case. Highly notable. Jtmichcock 02:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Frigging Keep!!! Did the nominator read even the first sentence of the article before nominating? Speedy keep and strong chastisement for ComCat for either a bad-faith nomination or such utter carelessness it can no more be condoned than bad faith can. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Remame. Did anyone read the article? It is about a crime and not the school. I'm not happy with McMartin preschool case as the name but right now it is probably the best choice. Vegaswikian 06:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename. Preaky 14:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename article. Bad faith nomination. --Andylkl 17:52, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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