Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Ottinger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 04:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Ottinger

nn local host, and has a few minor websites, only 600 google hits, based on his sites Quotes22 10:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The only way he could be in right now is if he had been the guy to knock off Ken Jennings. But he didn't, and his websites aren't notable, so neither is he. -- Grev 17:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Matt Ottinger has been a popular celebrity in the mid-Michigan area for many, many years, and deserves a page on Wikipedia -- although as it exists now the page should be regarded as a stub, and could use at least the basics of his biographical data. With a little more fleshing-out of the page, the mention of his Jeopardy! appearance would take the a more minor role it deserves. Kevin Forsyth 20:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I worked on the article to emphasize Matt's notability under the "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field" criterion of WP:Bio. In the field of U.S. game shows Matt is widely recognized for his work in creating a leading Internet forum and web sites on important game shows and personalities, especially Bill Cullen. The information about his appearance on Jeopardy! also qualifies him under the "renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" criterion because he was one of the few contestants who gave Ken Jennings a real run for his money during Jennings' widely publicized string of victories. His additional celebrity as a Michigan television host strengthens the case for notability. I agree the article needs fleshing out with biographical detail, but it's a definite keep under the notability guidelines. Casey Abell 08:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The two keep votes sort of speak for themselves why this article should not be included. He has a few subhosted websites, which are above-average, but that doesn't mean instant notability. He hosts a public-access game show that appears to only be seen in a small region of a state. He was a game show contestant, but Ken Jennings beat several hundred contestants, and that doesn't mean they all get pages. The above user is watering down WP:BIO to an embarrassing level. It looks as if this vote may conclude soon, but I'd like to see this be relisted and have votes from those with a more NPOV. --Renosecond 18:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Don't want to get into a slanging match. There's no reason to question other users' commitment to NPOV or dismiss their interpretation of WP standards as "embarrassing." If the article gets deleted, it gets deleted. Jimbo himself just said at Wikimania that AfD gets a little too heated sometimes, and I agree. So let's try to keep things as civil as possible. Casey Abell 18:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. I just don't think this is even close to the WP:BIO standards unless they are severely watered down. I think adding this comment here did not meet WP:CIVIL itself. I don't see Jimbo as god like some other members here do, so what he thinks isn't what I or other members here totally agree with --Renosecond 18:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC).

Comment. Again, I'm not going to get into a slanging match over one of the several hundred Wikipedia articles I've edited. But it's not constructive to challenge other users on their commitment to NPOV or to use dismissive language about their interpretation of standards. I notice that you have dropped "embarrassing" in favor of the more neutral "severely", and that's a step in the right direction. Again, if the article gets deleted, it gets deleted, and I'm hardly going to get torn up about it. And by the way, I don't recall saying that Jimbo is God. I do agree with him about the sometimes unnecessarily confrontational tone of AfD. Casey Abell 19:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.