Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Hackel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Hackel

Delete minor politician. The guy is the sheriff of one of the most populous counties in the state of Michigan - that's not enough for a WP article. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Looks like some local trying to get publicity for upcoming election - that's just my take on it.--SweetNeo85 03:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The solution to that is editing, not deletion.–♥ «Charles A. L.» 13:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I think the sheriff of a county with a population of 800,000 is notable. Seems to meet WP:BIO, a decent ammount of news coverage came up in a quick scan ([1] for example) --W.marsh 03:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Already mentioned at Macomb County, Michigan. That's enough for a county sherriff. Can't find any evidence that he is notable among sherriffs. Most sherriffs are going to be quoted in the paper from time to time, that doesn't establish notability. My Alt Account 03:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Is your quarrel with the article or with WP:BIO?–♥ «Charles A. L.» 13:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Are you implying that WP:BIO notability guidelines unquestionably would include this guy, and therefore I must be disagreeing with WP:BIO by voting for deletion? Sorry if this sounds dense, but that's all I can make out of your question. My Alt Account 13:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per W.marsh. By the way, there are articles on Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard and there are also articles on the county clerks of Oakland and Macomb counties. MJCdetroit 03:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Bouchard is a Senate candidate. As to the clerks, let's drop a deletion tag on them as well. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Both clerks are candidates for statewide elective office, and the Oakland County woman previously served in the state legislature. All three people you cited are a lot more notable than Hackel. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
      • We should try expanding Wikipedia and not deleteing articles because they may not be as large as you would like. MJCdetroit 04:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Incorrect. Never said that. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, passes WP:BIO per W.marsh. Kappa 04:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per W.marsh.–♥ «Charles A. L.» 13:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, not a great article, but the subject plainly meets WP:BIO. Kestenbaum 14:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Local sheriff. I picked up 4 recent news articles searching for "Mark Hackel" + sheriff. He is one of a number of law enforcement officers called upon from time to time to testify on particular crime-related issues: ironic that he seems to make the local news as he is called upon often by Detroit Free Press, Cetroit News and Macomb Daily, and would not make it if not for crime, but he does not seem ever to have been the primary subject in any of the articles, and does not pass WP:BIO. I just hope he remains non-notable. Ohconfucius 02:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; major elected county official meets WP:BIO. --MCB 03:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete minor local public official without significant news coverage about himself. (Someone should get round to a WP:MANDARINBIO... maybe I'll take a shot at it some time) Bwithh 01:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment. County sheriffs in many states have broad powers and are not "minor" officials. And like it or not, a large part of the U.S. population lives in suburban areas like Macomb County, which has a larger population than San Francisco or Baltimore or Boston. Kestenbaum 13:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

And county sheriffs in urban counties are commonly less important than city chiefs of police. My Alt Account 19:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

True. But Macomb County is so balkanized into small cities that no city chief of police there is remotely as important as the county sheriff. The sheriff is also responsible for the county jail, which in a large county is a pretty significant institution. The Macomb County Jail has a capacity of 1,450, per the official site. Kestenbaum 04:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.