Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manila Waldorf School

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The result of the debate was keep. Neutrality^talk 02:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Manila Waldorf School

Another frivolously created school stub. No notability established. No information that is useful to an encyclopedia in article. This isn't a phone book. 67.170.236.180 07:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete unless expanded. There is usually a story behind Rudolf Steiner schools yet this entry gives nothing beyond the contact details. I blame the current flood of school stubs, where a Yellow Pages type entry has actually become acceptable. A school doesn't have to have the history of the Jews' Free School to deserve its entry here, but why can't we aspire to the level of Naperville Central High School? I blame Schoolwatch. Pilatus 11:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I guess it's nice to have a scapegoat, but Schoolwatch is now basically defunct, owing to Tony's conviction that school articles are now being created and surviving the AfD process at such an incredible rate, that even mass deletions will not stop the organic growth of school articles (even primary schools). Frankly, the numbers show he is right - even deletionists will be forced to bend to inevitability. In any event, how can Schoolwatch possibly be to "blame"? Simply because Tony kept track of VfD and AfD for school articles? Schoolwatch isn't the only place that is done, and it isn't as though it is a serious challenge to simply read the daily AfD nominations in order to see which schools have been nominated today. Schoolwatch hardly constituted anything other than a summary of nominations - not some organized secret society to stop AfDs against schools.--Nicodemus75 08:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, this article is harmless and should be allowed to develop naturally. Since it's the first of its type in the country a separate article is appropriate. Describing articles like this as being "frivolously created" is uncivil and bites the newbies. Kappa 11:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete more crap. Dunc|☺ 11:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Describing good-faith contributions as "crap" is also uncivil. Kappa 12:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
    • So is trolling. How about something a little more verbose then? A pointless unencyclopedic pile of kiddiecruft. Nah, crap is more succint. Dunc|☺ 14:55, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
      • I honestly don't think Kappa was trolling here.Gateman1997 22:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep give it time to grow, per Kappa, but lose the phone book format. Alf ^melmac 13:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, mention it at the currently non-existent List of Waldorf schools, or List of Waldorf schools in the Philipines if the first would be too long. Wikipedia is not a web directory. Proto t c 14:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, there is a list of Waldorf Schools and it is mentioned there. --Jojit fb 03:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Aww, that's cute. But non-notable. Delete, or at best a redirect to Waldorf school. — RJH
• Keep, it's adult program seems to be unique. However if it's kept this needs MAJOR expansion if possible. Otherwise it should be AFD again.Gateman1997 16:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable; though I'd support a redirect per RJH.

Forgot to sign above--Isotope23 17:53, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Another nn school. Dottore So 20:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, or redirect per RJH. Cmadler 21:08, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable grade school. Jonathunder 21:48, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep How many schools from the Philippines will you get in wikipedia? please help to counter systemic bias. --Vsion 22:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect without merge. There is a decent article on Waldorf schools. Nice npov. It has an extensive list of external refs, including distinct links to find all Waldorf schools in the world. Th article on AfD however has the usual problems and does not deserve an individual page, but can be a redirect to Waldorf which provides great context; information like tel #, address, zip code etc is not reason for a separate WP article, please. WP:NOT a telephone directory.—encephalonεγκέφαλον 00:39, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and remove the advertisement part. But if the consensus is to delete then merge list of Waldorf Schools in the Waldorf school article and there should be no internal links for all of the schools. --Jojit fb 03:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• keep and please can we be civil when talking about this we should not be calling names Yuckfoo 06:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Yes it is in the Philippines - but it is still a school. Systematic bias must be resisted as per Vsion.--Nicodemus75 08:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to Waldorf School. I doubt that this thing will be expanded. --Noypi380 13:37, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, if the links in List of Waldorf Schools were to be completed. --Noypi380 13:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Another non-notable school. / Peter ^Isotalo 00:41, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Notability stated in article. CalJW 08:51, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and please stop nominating schools. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 11:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Wikipedia content is not and should not be determined based on the arbitrary application of such vague, relative concepts as "importance" or "notability". Keep.--Gene_poole 13:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Bilge. If that were true, literally anyone could have a biographical article. --Calton | Talk 07:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I strongly disagree with Gene's comments. Notability is precisely what we have encyclopedias for. Without some form of notability/significance test, encyclopedias degenerate into directories. I think of an encyclopedia as "all the stuff that a well-educated person would be familiar with, had he but the time to learn it". Put it another way: Wikipedia should supply you with all the information that a good and learned friend would. You don't expect your good and learned friend to know all the complex details of every subject - for that you go to a university professor - nor do you expect him to be familiar with every school in the world. But you do expect your friend to have heard of schools whose contribution is above average in some way. So Wikipedia should have articles on ( for example ) Groton, Columbine, Eton College in England, and so on, but not on schools ( however worthy ) that don't stand out. Wikipedia has articles on Einstein and Lincoln, but shouldn't list everyone in the world. Maybe when I have broken the world record for the most peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at one sitting I should have my own entry here, but until then I'm non-notable. And so, alas, is my school. WMMartin 17:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Why would you expect your friend to know about random journalist Cyrus Farivar or random Simpsons episode Hungry, Hungry Homer? Kappa 17:59, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Farivar: read the article; Homer: surely you remember that episode ? WMMartin 21:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I've read the article, it was a waste of my time. You may want to read about every single episode of the Simpsons, but you are in a small minority. Kappa 22:19, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Yet another nn school. Encyclopedic standards: who needs them? --Calton | Talk 07:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not worthwhile --redstucco 09:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for reasons expressed at Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. These nominations do not appear to be productive based upon the data Tony Sidaway has been collecting. The time an energy vested in these roundabout discussions could be much better served removing vandalism or writing about other topics which capture your interest. The interest in these articles on Wikipedia appears to be long established. Silensor 19:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:35, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.