Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mall of Louisiana

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mall of Louisiana

WP:VSCA of no value to wikipedia. - Richardcavell 00:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom --dtony 00:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom as no notability. Bigtop 01:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete What a joke. Absolutly un-notable. --Deenoe 01:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Timan123 01:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Large mall with 155 stores, which is more than the 100 threshold someone suggested in a discussion about another mall. Subject of independent coverage (see external links), which is probably to be expected of any mall this size. There is no evidence that the mall's owner has any connection with the original author of the article. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 02:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete The WP:CORP criterion is multiple nontrivial independent published works on the subject, but this article currently has at most only one such, from a real estate publication describing a bidding war. All the other sources are clearly either advertisements (e.g. the airline guide) or from the subject's own website or those of involved parties (i.e. General Growth Properties, a potential buyer). --Shirahadasha 03:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, just another advertisement article. I don't see any notability, one of the largest malls, really? --Terence Ong (T | C) 04:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and a question. This is a major business hub for the capital of a state. That seems notable, in and of itself. The sad thing (for me) is that most US cities really only have malls as their business centers. If we have a stricter policy on **malls than on pre-automobile forms of urban spaces, we automatically close off Wikipedia to huge areas of commercial life in a major country (the USA). We allow, even encourage, articles on neighborhoods, see the article on Uptown, Chicago for example, but should recognize that many places in the US are no longer built with residential-commerical mixes. It seems to me that the Mall of Louisiana is at least as important as Uptown, where I live, and certainly more so than (to take a random example) Grant Park, Illinois, a tiny place of 1,000 people which I've never seen but which merits its own Wikipedia article. My question is what could Wiki-writers do to make the Mall of Lousiana wiki-worthy? Would adding information on the architects make a difference? To me, it seems the writers have made a good-faith start on this article. It is verifiable and NPOV. Interlingua talk email 04:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and per Shirahadasha. Fails WP:CORP. wikipediatrix 05:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This mall is of sufficient size to warrant notability. However, a rewrite is needed. A list of all tenants isn't encyclopedic, but information on architecture, history, and its economic effect on the Baton Rouge area is. Kirjtc2 11:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Kirjtc2. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 16:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • keep - seems large enough to be considered notable to me. --mathewguiver 16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete - It does seem pretty non-notible judging by the article. I would support Expand if there's actual reason for the page to be here... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 18:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NN. Michael 18:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Valrith 20:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, mega-malls are notable, they even have mini tourist industries built around them (and in this case, a highway interchange). The article should be expanded to include some of the context from the external links, otherwise it's a near-pointless directory of stores. --Dhartung | Talk 21:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete mega-malls may indeed be notable, but this is a mall directory, which is not. If rewritten as an architectural and social article with sources and only the anchor stores, I could be persuaded, but this is slightly less useful to humanity than a link to the mall's own website. Guy 21:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, passes WP:CORP. Kappa 21:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC) ... with large amounts of independent coverage [1]. Kappa 23:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, as per Interlingua. Also needing expansion is not a reason for deletion. Seano1 22:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. As it is, I also only count one non-trivial bit of coverage in the external links. I imagine something else is out there, and I will hopefully remember to come back and check to see if somebody has found and added it. Until/unless that happens, this is a delete due to the failure of WP:CORP. Erechtheus 23:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and rewite Some of the info seems to be poorly written, but it should be kept in my opinion DemosDemon (Talk - contrib) 23:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete malls are inherantly nn, and there's nothing special about this one. Musaabdulrashid 03:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. I don't think any general category is inherently notable or non-notable. Notability depends on at least two things: the connections an encyclopedia entry has with the rest of the world and the size/exclusiveness of the encyclopidia. Certainly there are malls that are as notable as, to give the same example, my Chicago neighborhood of Uptown. Here, we have a major mall in the capital of a state (connections with the world) and a huge encyclopedia with room for all kinds of entries on fairly obscure people, places and things (size/exclusiveness). Again, I'm no fan of malls; in fact, I really dislike them. Despite that, I think that this article serves the purpose of a stub for an imporant part of the commercial life of a state capital. It certainly needs expansion to demonstrate this importance and also re-writing to make it less of a business directory. Interlingua talk email 23:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Response. Malls as collections of chain stores are most definetly NN. We dont have an article on every Macy's or Target store in the United States, so why should we have one simply because a collection of these stores are in the same location? I cant see how this can be expanded to prove notability. If this mall was the scene of some sort of disaster or notible first it would already be mentioned. Musaabdulrashid 06:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Musaabdulrashid, Erechtheus, Shirahadasha, and nom. Pan Dan 04:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep notable establishment and building and structure. Not a simple corner strip mall. --Shuki 06:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. 155 is a world away from 55--I would like to see a precedent history in this area, however.-Kmaguir1 07:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom and above. "one of the largest malls in Louisiana and the only mall that has a huge carousel by the food court" - woohoo for Baton Rouge but this is not encyclopedically notable. And malls are not "major business hubs" for Louisiana, unless you're suggesting that the Louisiana economy is tiny. Wikipedia is not some kind of local shopping directory. Oh, and this recent press release puts the shopping area of the mall at 1.3million square feet - which it substantially fails to make it into the largest 20 US malls (smallest is 1.928 million square feet) Bwithh 18:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I agree that we don't want Wikipedia cluttered with all kinds of short articles about tiny malls. But I don't think that this is what the Mall of Lousiana is. As for it's importance, I wrote "This is a major business hub for the capital of a state", not that it was a hub for the entire state. I agree that the business directory aspect of this article is inappropriate and show be replaced with a link to the mall's official website. Nonetheless, the number of businesses there would, if located in a conventional downtown business zone, warrant a stand-alone article. I think that we shouldn't dismiss such an article simply because these businesses are present not in a downtown but in a mall (as much as I personally dislike malls). Wikipedia policy on corporations is only obliquely relevant to malls. WP:CORP has no mention of malls and is focuses much more on individual companies. I think that Wikipedia policy on schools WP:SCHOOL might be more relevant to the discussion of malls. "Schools are frequently important to their communities, and are often the subject of the sort of non-trivial published works that are needed to complete an article. Wikipedia articles about schools should show that there is, or that there is likely to be, sufficient coverage of that school to allow for the creation of a complete article". Malls, similarly are important to their communities, and we ought not insist that right now there is "sufficient coverage", only that there is likely to be such coverage. And I think that with a mall like this one, such coverage is quite likely in the future. Interlingua talk email 23:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep It is significant to the state of Louisiana. It is encyclopeidically notable and ought to exist. It just needs to be expanded upon. --Pinkkeith 18:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and Expand/Rewrite It is a notable landmark of that city. Interlingua raises good points. I can even imagine why some in Louisiana haven't spent the time expanding their wiki articles this past year. It even sounds more interesting than a basic US mall, with a Carousel and 150+ stores and such. It needs some work, sure, but that's a different tag. GumbyProf: "I'm about ideas, but I'm not always about good ideas." 03:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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