Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makoto Uchida

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Proto::► 00:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Makoto Uchida

Makoto Uchida (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Coverted from speedy deletion, it does assert notability (I think lead creative developer on several notable games counts). However, the only source on the talk page which is not directory-style information is an interview. There are no sources in the article itself. No reliable sources in the first five pages of google hits (and he shares his name with another professor). Neutral. ColourBurst 18:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- WanCC 21:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The article belongs in the database for obvious reasons. The individual the article is about is notable and does certainly exist. The fact that it needs work does not mean that it should be deleted. The subject of the article is the individual who is given credit for concieving several Sega Arcade games such as Altered Beast and Golden Axe. Also please look at the links provided in the discussion page. There is plenty of information about the individual there. Majestic Lizard 04:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP Majestic Lizard 23:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Weak article in need of improvement, but notable. Ford MF 21:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I did some research and I'm not convinced that Makoto Uchida who did the sound on anime is the same Makoto Uchida that designed games. We need someone to cite some concrete sources for the keeps. --Kunzite 21:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

So you are saying that the guy, that we know for certain designed half a dozen arcade games sold all over the world, should not be part of this entry because the article may incorrectly attribute some minor sound sampling on anime movies to him? That's great that you did research. But rather than just exclaiming that you have done research, and therefor you believe you are right, it would really be better if you actually shared the research and then explained why you think you are right. The references to anime movies can be deleted without the entire article being deleted. There is no doubt that Uchida conceived top grossing Sega arcade games.

There are concrete sources in the discussion page in regard to the man's history with Sega. Uchida is well known to former and current employees of Sega. He is not exactly a phantom. He deserves his credit for his creations. Just because he is not famous in the west does not mean he doesn't have encyclopedic significance. Majestic Lizard 17:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Please be civil. Please don't lecture me about systematic bias topics. I frequently translate and source Japanese-language material. Actually, in it's current state, the article should be deleted because it provides no references. As the nom said: " There are no sources in the article itself." I do not understand editors chose to hide them on the article's talk page. The burden is on those who want to keep the article to provide the sources in the article itself. There are a lot of Makoto Uchida's out there. Going through your "sources" on the talk page this one is the only semi-usable one. (The others fail the no directory criteria of WP:BIO.) Since it comes from a game producer it's not really independent. [1]. Show a source that this person is "likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of the^WP:BIO" video game field, and I'll change my recommendation. --Kunzite 17:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Its quite obvious to anyone reads what I have expressed here that I am being perfectly polite and simply trying to advocate a simple position in regard to this entry.

Try and realize that when people disagree and explain their position, it is not a personal attack against any individual person expressing a view. It is also a mistake to suggest that someone is being provoked or attacked when someone else merely asks them to demonstrate the research that was claimed to have been made.

No one was lectured on a "systematic bias". A lecture is generally composed of more than one sentence. I explained why I did not agree that this entry should be deleted. This will be obvious to anyone who reads what I wrote.

It is very obvious that the Makoto Uchida the article is about is the Sega game programmer who designed the arcade games Golden Axe and Altered Beast, as well as many others. The fact that 'there are many Makoto Uchida's out there' is no more an adequate reason to delete this article than if I was to say George Bush's article should be deleted because there are many George Bushes.

I suggested that that people peruse the discussion page and I'm not too sure many persons paying attention to this little discussion have done so. Uchida already has been part of the video game field for at least 18 years.

I just don't think it should be deleted. I think it should be improved. I'm also not even sure how to link sources to articles as I have usually just made data corrections to existing ones. Majestic Lizard 22:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.