Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M.O.V.E.R

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete all. Angr/talk 20:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] M.O.V.E.R, Jerome hasler, Don Ray

Note to admin - Delete votes are being removed from this AfD by new/anon users.

Delete. Unverified and probably unverifiable. Article admits little notability outside locality even if true. Hynca-Hooley 23:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• A gang emerging from the ashes of McCarthyism in Wiltshire?? Sounds like a prime BJAODN candidate to me. Hairy Dude 00:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Unverified. No record of their leader Jerome C. Hasler anywhere in google. Monkeyman^(talk) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable SailorfromNH 01:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Malmesbury. Interesting content in the context of the town. What do other voters think about this suggestion? Metta Bubble 01:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per others. Hbackman 02:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Google will yield no results on this. The closest I found was this which makes no mention of the article's subject. The only way to verify this I suppose is to ask someone who resided in the town at the time period this gang was said to be active. - 127.*.*.1 03:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Commment: Jerome hasler was just created, and should probably share the same fate as this article Henrik 10:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep As a former resident of Malmesbury, I have the unfortunate memories of knowing my father, who was (for a very short time) a member of the Mover organisation, and whenever I mention this to some of my closest friends who reside in Bath - they have no knowledge of this so called 'gang' - even though I do not believe that the Movers were bad people. Therefore, without knowing what my father did, being in as much of the dark as apparently the rest of England, I cannot pass judgement that this is a fake article - which apparently everyone else can do despite having NO knowledge about it. I know it was a prominent gang, and am pleased that it has finally gotten the recognition somewhere, and I hope that eventually the whole truth can be uncovered. There, I'll get off of my soapbox now User: Tyres March 8th 2006

User:Tyres first post. You get the point exactly with the statement "which apparently everyone else can do despite having NO knowledge about it", wikipedia has a policy of verifiability (WP:V), the fact that no one has any knowledge of it is exactly the reason it has no place in Wikipedia. --pgk^(talk) 12:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unverifiable. --pgk^(talk) 12:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Isn't the reason why Wikipedia started so people COULD find out about subjects? If you already have knowledge on the subject, why would you want to read up on it? User: Tyres March 8th 2006 12:55p.m

You may only vote once, but feel free to comment. Henrik 13:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I'm not sure I agree with the general position wikipedia has on notability but it would not be good if we are the first to publish on this topic. - 127.*.*.1 19:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Seemingly unverifiable. --Fuzzie (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I have added Jerome hasler to the discussion as an obvious hoax that was deprod.--Porturology 16:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Its disrespect of the highest order to suggest that J.C. Hasler didn't exsist. you should be ashamed of your naivety wikipedia administrative team. i am. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain milkybar (talk • contribs).

In good faith, it was not nice to edit other people's votes. Such tactics are disrespective to the afd process. You have a chance to prove he exists, that is what this page is for. I suggest you use the time to gather information, such as public records and such. - 127.*.*.1 19:41, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

i do apologise, im sorry i was unaware of said etiquette surrounding afd items etc. yeh, public records, where do you get them and how do you put them wikipedia.com?!! again im sorry as this entry is editing etc. so yeh, ill try and find out some stuff on him. but enough people over here know about the guy! but i appreciate word of mouth isnt always truth, except in this case -naturally! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.176.250.209 (talk • contribs).

• Keep I resent that Jerome C Hasler and his M.O.V.E.R gang are being questioned. Earlier I read an article name Don Ray, which is clear evidence that he and his gang existed. Wikipedia should be ashamed that it questions things of this nature. People need to know what foul, awful, unwashed, discusting, discraceful, horrific, mentally disturbed, animals that were the M.O.V.E.R gang. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Don ray (talk • contribs).
  • Comment Don Ray provides no additional proof. It is along the lines of Jerome hasler. I suggest adding the article to this AfD -- I don't know how to do that, though. Hbackman 23:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'm a little concerned about all of the new users/IPs who have suddenly popped up around here to vote Keep. All of them appeared on March 7 or 8, all of them have very few edits, and all of them have only edited pages relating to M.O.V.E.R. or this AfD. See: Tyres' contributions Captain milkybar's contributions 80.176.250.209's contributions Don ray's contributions. These four are the only ones who have suggested that the article should not be deleted. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Hbackman 23:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure the admins patrolling the AfDs have seen this behavior a million times. Don't sweat it, they know. Monkeyman^(talk) 23:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I see, so basically when four people decide to have a discussion about why an article shouldn't be deleted - everyone instantly assumes that they are all liers/the same person. That's one hell of a trusting assumption. I guess that you clearly know me personally and all these other people that are posting their disagreement with the articles in question that are up for deletion. So what, I might be a new member! Let it go, I've still got just as much of a voice on this site as anyone, and I still have an opinion. It's unfair to assume that just because we disagree with you, we're lieing. I agree with the person who posted down there, learn about social skills —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.33.68.226 (talk • contribs).
  • Please be civil. I apologize for any offence, but you must admit that it's a suspicious coincidence when four different people come onto Wikipedia at almost the same time, only edit articles related to one particular group, and are the only ones on an AfD about that group saying that the article should be kept. I'm not attacking you because you disagree with me. It is not a life-or-death question to me whether or not these articles are kept. Hbackman 00:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment My freaking god you guys must have a lot of time on your hands. Seriously have you guys ever considered getting lives and not questioning everything that isn't in your nerdy little heads. You guys have some terrible problems to read so much into things, I suggest you get some help. You make me sick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.134.220.149 (talk • contribs).
• Keep whether you guys delete this article or not, the truth about the M.O.V.E.R gang should be known. it is valuble history from a rural town. part of a legacy they left behind. i think we should honour that legacy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.134.220.149 (talk • contribs).
• Keep this piece of township memory is little known outside of Malmesbury. but it is truth, i dont know where records can be found. but i know and so do many people around malmesbury that this gang is truth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.134.220.149 (talk • contribs).
  • Please do not vote twice. You're welcome to continue discussing the article, however. Thanks. Hbackman 00:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, regardless of someones personal views Wiki is an Encyclopedia and should have articles you would expect to find in a General Purpose Encyclopedia...this doesn't rank there. If you wish to have MOVER 'known', start a blog for free at blogger.com or the like. KsprayDad
• Keep I originate from the wiltshire area and can confirm the existence of jerome c. hasler and his gang. I have heard about their work and believe it to be 100% true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.134.220.149 (talk • contribs).
  • Please don't vote more than once. You're welcome to continue discussing the article, however. Thanks. Hbackman 00:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all I agree with KsprayDad. --MaNeMeBasat 15:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unsourced, noting that nobody who has voted to keep has provided any information that can verify this other than "I've heard of them." WP:V applies, at the least. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Errrr....excuse me, why is the article Don Ray up for deletion? And also why the hell is it being added to M.O.V.E.R delete page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Don ray (talk • contribs).. please sign your posts.
  • Whether M.O.V.E.R. is deleted or kept, it follows that pages about people who are only notable in that they are M.O.V.E.R. members (such as Don Ray) should be subject to the same decision. Putting them all up on the same AfD simplifies the matter and ensures that the same debate doesn't take place on multiple pages. Hbackman 00:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete MOVER and Jerome hasler per 86.134.220.149 ("this piece of township memory is little known outside of Malmesbury. but it is truth, i dont know where records can be found" implies not notable or verifiable). Userfy Don Ray to User:Don ray. Stifle 00:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep i was a former resident of malmsbury- and one silent night when the moonlight was shining through my blinds- a shadow was forecast over my torso-and a large man hoisting a gun threatened to pump 15 lead slugs into my face. He said that if i did not leave i would be sleeping with the fishes. He appeared to carry a large a large bucket of ADES, i then jumped from my bed, grabbed my packed suitcase ( which mysteriously was already packed for me)and i ran into the night riding a buffalo. I am now 94 years old and i am writing this from my death bed, i would like this article to be kept in memory of my horrificly painful ordeal. i would choose to keep my identity unexposec but i will remain under the nickname of big man has —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.105.214.198 (talk • contribs).

• Delete Non-verifiable --Jason ^(talk) 15:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.