Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Love metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 14:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Love metal

Imaginary music genre. Death metal, yes, but love metal? —Wahoofive (talk) 05:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

• KeepGenre is not crap, it IS real. Love Metal was first defined by the band HIM on their album Love Metal, and if you LISTEN to their music you will notice how different it really is to other metal genres.
• Genre is crap but real. I don't know how notable it is, but I think it is notable enough for Wikipedia. Keep. Aecis 10:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Do votes get discounted if they make no sense? How can you think something is notable if you don't know how notable it is? --Last Malthusian 22:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless any examples can be provided. ♥purplefeltangel ^(talk) ♥ ^(contribs) 11:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, I guess, although the brevity of the article doesn't inspire enthusiasm. Everyking 12:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per purplefeltangel. One band does not constitute a genre and unless a list of other artists of this "genre" can be provided (preferable ones that satisfy WP:MUSIC) I'd say this should most definitely be deleted.--Isotope23 14:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I thought "if this article doesn't just cite the album "Love Metal" by HIM (the Coldplay of heavy metal), I'll vote keep." Guess what, it doesn't. Delete this for the same reason as Ice metal; you can't create metal subgenres just by sticking a potential lyrical theme onto the beginning and citing a few metal bands who may or may not sing about that theme. --Last Malthusian 15:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I can't find a single use of the term 'love metal' via Google. All the matches for "love metal" are either album titles or are part of a sentence such as 'I love metal'. This is a neologism. --Last Malthusian 12:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Appears to exist... --MacRusgail 19:36, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, vague genre. Failing that, redirect to the album. Punkmorten 22:31, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep its certainly a legitimate genre. JobE6 Image:Peru flag large.png 00:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Sonjaaa 06:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep. In regard to Isotope23's comments, if this were one of those countless non-notable bands who have just started out (or worse yet, haven't even started out yet), I'd vote delete as a neologism. But this is HIM, who is better known outside their home country than Urho Kekkonen and C.G.E. Mannerheim put together. It's certainly notable. — JIP | Talk 11:11, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm in no way refering to the notabiliby of HIM, but again... one band does not constitute a music genre. I'd have no problem with this article being about the album, but to claim that there is a genre called "Love Metal" based on the music of one artist shows a lack of understanding as to what the term "genre" actually means. A genre is a collection or group of artists with a similar sound. By definition you can't have a collection or group of one artist. Unless there are other notable bands that can be considered to have this sound and this genre is being referred to by music writers and critics in notable publications it is a neologism.--Isotope23 18:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• keep - Well, we have an article on Child pornography... --Celestianpower ^hab 12:48, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
  • What's that supposed to mean? That kiddie porn isn't an established subgenre or subwhatever of pornography or that "love metal" is just as famous? / Peter ^Isotalo 04:04, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and seriously expand and ellaborate, please. Shauri 13:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I think the point is that there is nothing to expand... Sam Vimes 18:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Expand? This is ridiculous. I could add a hundred bands to this article, but I won't, because it isn't a genre. A genre has to be defined by something they actually do that other genres don't. Death metal is notable for its use of screeching, nu metal is notable for its lack of solos and use of rap vocals, speed metal is notable for, er, speed, 'love metal' is notable for... what? Lyrics about love? Please. --Last Malthusian 09:55, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Metalcruft neologism. / Peter ^Isotalo 04:04, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
• The album is notable, but you can't define a genre on one album. Reluctant delete for now Sam Vimes 18:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep according to current policy. Cleanup, not delete. ··gracefool |☺ 15:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Article must be axpanded. --KeyStorm 17:12, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • How can you expand an article about a genre that does not exist? Again, nobody arguing keep has even made an attempt to establish the factual existance of this genre. There is a perfectly good article about the HIM album Love Metal already, so part of the disambigious page is not necessary. The definition portion of this term as a genre is a neologism. At best this should redirect to the album.--Isotope23 20:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete one band is not enough to define a new genre chowells 18:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment I don't know why this vote is riling me so much - I don't even mind HIM much, and God knows there are articles on Wikipedia more devoid of information than this that aren't even subject to AfD - but I despair at the number of people just posting "keep" without any apparent attempt to justify their decision or counter the arguments that got this HIMcruft posted to AfD in the first place. I hope whoever considers the final result of this VfD takes that into account. --Last Malthusian 22:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I second that completely. Nobody who has voted Keep has shown any evidence of the existance of this genre.--69.14.198.253 01:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this because it's a neologism, almost to the point of being (in its claim that such genre exists) fabrication coupled to HIM vanity. The Literate Engineer 20:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.