Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lizzie Borden's maid

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 10:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lizzie Borden's maid

Minor legal theory about the Lizzie Borden case. Nominating under WP:NOT a publisher of original thought Saberwyn 23:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. see nomination. Saberwyn 23:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, not original thought. Kappa 01:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • If it's not original, then the article ought to cite its sources. The ones this article cites don't seem to check out. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Closing admins please only count my votes as "keep" if sources are found. Thanks for the research Dpbsmith.Kappa 21:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Change vote to delete as unverifiable. Kappa 23:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable, unless good verifiable sources are provided prior to expiration of VfD. The sources cited do not check out. Does Brown even have a law school? I couldn't find one on the Brown site. No hits in a search on the Brown University site for "Andrea Champell" (nor, assuming a misspelling, for "Andrea Campbell"). Only Google hits on "Andrea Champell" are to copies of this article. No hits on "Lewis Brooks" on the BC college website. Only Google hits on combination of exact phrases "Lewis Brooks" "Professor of Law History" are to copies of this article. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2005 (UTC) P. S. No, Brown has no law school. Roger Williams University, right on the home page of its website, says that its Ralph R. Popitto Law School is "the only law school in Rhode Island."
• Delete and my God do it soon! The matter of the Borden murders should be covered on Wikipedia, but not this speculation! (Victoria Lincoln is rolling over in her grave!) Stu 02:36, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• If there is an article in the March 2005 edition of The Massachusetts Law Review, then this can be verified, and the article merged with Lizzie Borden. TheMadBaron 07:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I have email queries in at the Massachusetts Law Review and the Boston Public Library's reference desk. No replies yet. Another search that gives only hits on this Wikipedia article is "lewis brooks" "lizzie borden". An important article about Lizzie Borden published over six months ago in a major law review should have attracted some notice. However, the contributor is so sloppy about spelling that there's always the chance that "Lewis Brooks" is a misspelling. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Do not merge unless independently verified. Gamaliel 07:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

• Comment I have received a reply from a contact at the Massachusetts Bar Association, publishers of the Massachusetts Law Review, as follows:

You asked about a mention of Lizzie Borden in the Massachusetts Law Review (below).

The MLR is mainly organized and cited by volume and page number. "79 Mass. Law Rev. 135" would be page 135 of volume 29 of it, for example. We do note the year and (intended) season on the cover (e.g. "Fall 2000") and each issue has an issue number on the cover (e.g. "Volume 80, No. 3"). The month an issue is mailed doesn't get noted, so there is no specific "March 2005" issue.

I did do a quick search on recent issues, and there doesn't seem to have been any mention of Lizzie Borden. There were some old mentions from the MLR. I've attached a screen picture of the results. Can you give me some more context for the mention?

I did notice a 1999 Massachusetts Bar Association Lawyers Journal article that mentions an attorney from a firm involved in the case, and the question of the expiration of the obligation of client confidentiality.

Dpbsmith (talk) 23:07, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment I find it interesting that this article never once mentions Bridget Sullivan (the maid) by name. Doesn't seem logical that an article about Bridget (who Lizzie referred to as Maggie - source Florence King, One WASP's Family) would at least call her by name? Stu 01:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Just found another Law Professor from a "Brown University" - it is here:

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/faculty/directories/faculty.cfm?InstructorID=22

I don't know if that legitimizes Andrea Champell any or not, I still can't find any reference to that particular name. But there does appear to be a legitimate "Brown University" Law degree.

I don't think so. He is a Professor of Law at Suffolk University who got his BA from Brown. His legal degree, the JD is from Georgetown, which has a famous law school. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

All this is interesting, but back to the article. Does it merit a stand alone entry? Are the sources legitimate? Can the information be verified? Should it stand alone or be merged into Lizzie Borden's article IF the sources are legit? Stu 20:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

No, the sources are not legitimate and the information cannot verified. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.