Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous alcoholics
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of famous alcoholics
Unencyclopedic and subjective. Also has a huge problem as to how 'alcoholic' is defined. Is it anyone who has drunk too much or a more serious problem? Must the person have admitted to being an alcoholic? At the very least the term must be defined and each entry very carefully referenced. This article poses a legal minefield given potential for defamation WJBscribe 23:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as nom. WJBscribe 23:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Further comment. I am especially concerned by the inclusion of people such as Ira Hayes, a war veteran whose suggested alcoholism is so tied up to likely post-traumatic stress disorder. It seems in poor taste and gives a good example of the sort of issues the presence of this list will lead to. WJBscribe 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- While I did add my "vote" to delete, I don't think that Ira Hayes should be somehow omitted from this list if it did stay. He was famous, and he was an alcoholic. The list isn't titled, "List of famous alcoholics, except the otherwise good people who had a rough go of it and wound up drinking for various reasons." --Onorem 18:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- I should have been clearer. I was pointing out that a wide range of people would end up lumped together by the criteria 'alcoholics' without room for discussion of wider pesonal problems that might have lead to this, not that he should be excluded should the list continue. The list is a very blunt instrument- it lacks the necessary sensitivity for dealing with such a topic. WJBscribe 19:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- While I did add my "vote" to delete, I don't think that Ira Hayes should be somehow omitted from this list if it did stay. He was famous, and he was an alcoholic. The list isn't titled, "List of famous alcoholics, except the otherwise good people who had a rough go of it and wound up drinking for various reasons." --Onorem 18:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- Further comment. I am especially concerned by the inclusion of people such as Ira Hayes, a war veteran whose suggested alcoholism is so tied up to likely post-traumatic stress disorder. It seems in poor taste and gives a good example of the sort of issues the presence of this list will lead to. WJBscribe 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete The article is potentially defamatory, is POV in terms both of the definition of "famous" and of "alcoholic", is largely unverifiable, and in reality must be so laughably incomplete as to be wholly unencyclopedic.--Anthony.bradbury 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete unsourced, no objective definition of "famous", potential includees is vast. Guy (Help!) 23:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - I removed anyone who was living from the list about 3 weeks ago, but agree completely with the deletion. Agree with all above about definitions and references. --Onorem 18:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete who's famous? who's alcoholic? Neither question can be answered satisfactorily. Moreover, very high potential for defamatory additions to the list. Pascal.Tesson 00:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - part of this could be salvaged by using "... who have been diagnosed as being an alcoholic" as an objective criterion. The real problem is the POV for "famous people"... and I don't see any getting around that obstacle, even if we have the sourcing to verify that the individual is/was indeed an alcoholic. B.Wind 02:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - hmm. Would "famously alcoholic people" be an acceptable category, or of any use whatsoever? --Kizor 07:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
