Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Britpop musicians

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus; default to keep. Johnleemk | Talk 14:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Britpop musicians

Britpop as a genre is very hard to define, and I could make a strong case for the removal of many of those listed. No doubt, someone else would make a strong case for the reinstatement of a few names that I have just removed. The list is out of date, inaccurate and unloved, and doesn't offer any great improvement over a category. A Strong Delete from me. kingboyk 22:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep; Britpop was the major music movement of 1990's Britain. The list could do with clean-up, but not deletion. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 22:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not proposing the deletion of the article or the Category:Britpop category, just that list! Could you tell me, how does that list help Wikipedia? Don't you see what's happening with it - people just come along and add their favourite British band in order to get an extra link! Early to mid 90s was 'my time' in music, and I'm British - and I sure know that Carter USM, Ned's Atomic Dustbin and Relaxed Muscle are not Britpop! --kingboyk 22:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not denying the list needs clean-up, but we have lists of musicians for most other genres (Just look at Category:Lists of musicians) and Britpop should be no different. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 09:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Have to agree with kingboyk; this is much better served by a category. (I do consider Carter USM Britpop, however. Just listen to the song "World Without Dave". But what do I know? I'm just an ignorant Yank.) StarryEyes 23:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'd fight an armed duel to defend my notion that Carter are not Britpop, but I can't prove it. Which kind of makes my point :) Thanks for the support, and if you haven't already check out 101 Damnations and 30 Something. --kingboyk 00:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I like this type of list as it complements our coverage. Needs short descriptions. -- JJay 00:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Britpop is too hard to define, and it would be more economical just to add a similar list to the actual page for the genre. --tksteph
• Keep. Seems reasonable to me. The great advantages of lists over categories is that you see the redlinks to see what needs to be created. Capitalistroadster 02:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, it's category material at best. Appears to also be a list that is unlikely to ever be completed, and badly defined to boot. Stifle 16:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unfortunately this page typifies all the problems we're having with the main Britpop page - People hear the word once or twice and decide they know what it means, then argue about it forever. It would be a nice idea if people didn't keep coming along and adding bands to it, unfortunately this is what is happening and will continue to happen. With the category it is redundant anyway. --Sachabrunel 20:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

By the way, if it survives this vote then I vote it get another serious trimming - 50% cut or more. --Sachabrunel 20:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

You'll notice that I've trimmed a lot away already. I've also changed the definition of what is acceptable there by restricting it to British, first-wave britpop bands - otherwise it's just unmanageable. Feel free to trim away further. I'm still strongly in favour of deletion though for the reasons you've just put so eloquently. (PS Adding your vote isn't really a minor edit :)) --kingboyk 20:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep and cleanup. The list is manageable, you just need a few editors working together towards consensus. This isn't out of control like the Best-selling artists/albums articles. You can refer to other online resources like Allmusic, NME, etc. for some pointers. These suggestions also apply to Category:Britpop --Madchester 20:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• The problem is, the two editors who have been cleaning it (myself and User:Sachabrunel) both agree it should be deleted. I personally won't be sticking around once this debate is over, so that leaves one.

Your other point (I got an edit conflict as you were adding it) - I read NME every week in that era so I have a fairly good idea already; that's not the problem. It's the maintenance and usefulness which is the problem. Keeping that list sane is a lifetime's commitment! :) --kingboyk 20:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - appears to be inconsistant. Essexmutant 12:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.