Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Anti-Masons

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. There are more Keeps than Merges, and those two votes are simply votes not to Delete anyways. Whether something should be kept or merged is a discussion that doesn't require an AfD anyway. Deathphoenix 12:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Anti-Masons

This article was tagged for "prod" deletion. Reason was "list with only one item". Note per Anti-Masonic Party that the party's members actually held governorships of Vermont and Pennsylvania as well as running another candidate for President of the US. List could be populated with at least three other notables, and probably others. But is it notable encyclopedic content? It might be especially of interest to people interested in "third parties" in USA politics, and to people interested in the influence of Freemasonry on politics. Bringing it to AfD for discussion. Barno 03:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and Improve - Glad to finally vote keep on something. Jaxal1 03:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as listcruft. Bobby1011 03:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per below Keep: the list can be expanded, and the topic is not trivial. bcasterline^talk 04:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Anti-Masonic Party. We don't need another list and neither of these two topics have a lot of info. pschemp | talk 06:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP and improve. Not EVERYONE is part of an american political party. Jcuk 09:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Pschemp. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 09:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Pschemp. GWO 12:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP and improve. as per Jcuk - not all of these are in the party! Paki.tv 13:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. As noted above, you don't have to be a member of the Anti-Masonic party to be against Freemasonry (of course, as always, only notable and outspoken individuals should be added to the list). EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 23:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per pschemp. Four members will easily fit into the parent article. Just zis Guy you know? 10:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as a standalone article, since Anti-Masonic Party is already pretty big. Additionally, this one fills my "things I never knew" quota for the day; I love AFD. -Colin Kimbrell 04:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I should also note that I would Delete the article if it's used as a catch-all for any people who dislike Freemasonry, since that's neither encyclopedic nor verifiable. My support for keeping it extends only to the political party. -Colin Kimbrell 17:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete WP is not solely for lists, and this material does exist elsewhere. MSJapan 18:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment: On further citation hunting, there seems to be very little (or no) evidence for the classification of some individuals as Anti-Masons - Moody seems to be there because he was an evangelist, but nothing is stated in his wiki article about his position on Masonry at all. According to this page, many people apparently think Marx was a Mason. However, as an atheist, Marx would not qualify - this does not, however, make him anti-Masonic, and I have not found any reliable evidence to support that claim. Bordiga seems to be on here because he was a Marxist ("Marx was anti, so is he") - no corroborating info is available. Hitler, Mussolini, JQA, Finney, and 'any' Pope, for that matter, are documentable. Morgan is debatable for many reasons. See his WP article. Masonicinfo has a pretty exhaustive list of historical and contemporary individuals with an anti-Masonic POV ('sans' Popes, however), and other than those mentioned above, the others do not appear on that list at all. Furthermore, there is an insinuation that John Paul I "died mysteriously while trying to purge the Masons from the Vatican", which is simply a conspiracy theory (see the relevant WP articles) that has no place here. So, out of nine entries, five are reliably citable, four are not, and except for JQA (not added yet) and Finney (nn as far as anti-Masonry as a movement goes, it seems), the others appear in the Anti-Masonry article already. So, apart from the subtle POV-pushing, the lack of citation and the incorrect information, what is correct is already covered. Most importantly, almost none of these people were notable 'as' anti-Masons (save Finney, who published his book 48 years after he quit his Lodge). MSJapan 07:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP and improve. as per Jcuk - not all of these are in the party!Harrypotter 23:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. After a few moments of thinking I realized this list would have to include most Pre WWII Catholic Church leaders and all high ranking Nazi's. grazon 05:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. See WP:LISTS. Can you imagine List of anti-Jewish, List of anti-Christians? ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, notable anti-masons can easily be added to the Anti-Masonry article. WegianWarrior 12:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.