Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liozna

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete both articles.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  19:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Liozna Synagogue and Larger than Life (books)

This person seems to fail notability standards. Avi 16:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I am also adding to this list Larger than Life (books) as bundled for deletion as Not notable, vanity press . -- Avi 18:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable, WP:VSCA, WP:WING, WP:NOT -- Avi 16:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • To clarify: *Delete both. -- Avi 21:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Against Deletion, This person is a Rabbi, Author, Historian, Radio Host, Museum Curator, Scholar. While many outside the Orthodox and even many within the community may not have heard of him or know much about him, this is a very small, but bona fide and notable personage and should definately not be deleted. JJ211219 17:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • So are members of my immediate family, JJ, (one is a Rabbi, a Doctor, a historian, a scholar, a published author of both books and tape series, and a speaker who has been flown around the US and world at various times to speak and officiate at various religious events), that does not make him notable either. I am most definitely part of the Orthodox community, and I have heard in passing of this Lubavitcher break-off, and among everyone I know, in the grand scheme of Orthodox and Chasidic tradition, it is considered an ephemeral and passing event. The fact that someone is important in their immediate circle does not imply wiki-notability. Please look here Wikipedia:Notability (people) and see that even if he has 100 chasidim, that will not make him notable. The average professor has more than 100 students every year, and still fails notability. Even house bands can have 100 groupies and still fail (and be speedied). If this person gains a following of tens of thousands, publishes sichos or sefarim, and begins to get mentioned by the Moetzes or the Agudah or the like, then you may have something. As of now Adin Steinsaltz and Shmuel Butman have more followers, and you see neither of them here. Steinsaltz actually would be notable in my opinion based on the popularity of his Shas. -- Avi 18:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep - author of multiple books, it appears. Delete per Crzrussian. Kimchi.sg 19:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Both: self-named breakaway "Rebbe", 2 books published by "Chasidic Historical Productions", which is an Orthodox publishing house I have never heard of - and there are very few of them. "Marginal" sums it up. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Liozna Delete Both- see rationale on discussion page - Wikipedia is not the place to record off-the-cuff occurrences that are really very minor in the grand scheme of things. Many thanks, Nesher 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment on Larger than Life (books) - I'm undecided on this one and will remain neutral until convinced otherwise. SEE ABOVE Nesher 18:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Both not notable. Passing event, with no major or long term repercussions. If we were to document every author of an unauthorized biography, there would be no end to the number of useless wikipedia articles.--Meshulam 19:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. At least the Liozna article must be kept. I'm not sure about the book article. But the Liozna article definitely has to be kept. --Daniel575 21:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Both not notable. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 12:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems fairly notable. Madd4Max 14:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.