Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Le Kevin Smith

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. --Ezeu 06:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Le Kevin Smith

does not clearly state notability and importance Betacommand 02:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• delete doesnt have importance and does not clearly state notability Betacommand 00:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Many things on Wikipedia do not have "international importance". Also, dozens of articles have less information on American Football players. Do not single this one out for deletion unless you plan on deleting hundreds of others.--Thomas.macmillan 00:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)thomas.macmillan

Please show the "international importance" and clearly stated "notability" of dozens of American football player stubs on Wikipedia? We should include this small stub on a NFL player unless you want to delete hundreds if not all of the American football players stubs.--Thomas.macmillan 02:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Professional player in notable team. Capitalistroadster 02:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Capitalistroadster. -- ReyBrujo 03:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a terrible article but nevertheless, it's a no-brainer that an NFL football player is obviously notable for Wikipedia. wikipediatrix 04:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but re-list on here if he gets cut before next season starts. While I understand and agree that all NFL players should have articles, he is at this point just an NFL draft pick and as a seventh round pick might not even play a game. — GT 04:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete no no no, this guy is not an NFL player. He's a Crystal Ball player. Let him play a game at the big league level (do they have minor league in football?) and then we'll have an article on him. No rush. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 05:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Seriously, delete per CrazyRussian. Write an article about him when he's actually played in a notable game. — Haeleth Talk 09:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, meets notability criteria set out in WP:BIO - "..or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States" - even if he doesn't play for the Patriots he looks to have qualified through his play for the University of Nebraska, where he apparently performed great defensive feats in 2005: "led the nation with 50 quarterback sacks and 124 tackles behind the line of scrimmage."[1] oops that quote was not about Smith personally —Stormie 10:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I think mainly amateur sports refers to sports without professional leagues, for what it's worth. — GT 17:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Also, the numbers given relate to the accomplishments of the Nebraska defense, and not specifically to those of Smith. Were the college achievements sufficient to confer notability, we would then suggest that every player on the Cornhuskers defense--at least every starter--would merit an article, and I don't think that's a road down which we want/ought to go. (FWIW, Smith recorded only 36 TFL and 9.5 sacks over his college career; 50 sacks would not only have more than doubled Terrell Suggs's DI record, but also have bested Suggs' career mark [44].) Joe 19:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oops, you're right, I did misread that sentence, it is talking about the whole defense, not just him. I still say keep, though, based on my reading of WP:BIO. —Stormie 06:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment we deleted articles of minor league baseball players and college football players in AFD before, I don't know why WP:BIO says all college players as most won't make the big leagues, Weak Keep for me. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 23:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Nothing wrong with it. Cvene64 11:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep noted drafted football players. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 14:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable sportsman. --Terence Ong 15:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Stormie. JamesMLane t c 15:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Yes, he was drafted, but he was drafted in the sixth round. If he were to make the Patriots' (or some other team's) squad, then obiously, this would be a very strong keep. As it is, he (like every other draft pick) hasn't played a minute of NFL ball. But the article clearly shows notability, so it's a worthy addition to WP. (And yes, I know the above paragraph was slightly contradictory. The point is, it's a keeper.) -- Kicking222 17:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Very weak keep I was tempted to nominate many articles for deletion after stubs were created for almost every player taken in the first five rounds of the 2005 NFL Draft, inasmuch as many were non-notable for their collegiate achievements and will not necessarily, as CrzRussian well explains, ever play professional football. The proper disposition, I think, is "keep", where one's being drafted typically leads to one's playing the league (though this is surely a bit of crystal ballism), with the proviso that we ought certainly to revisit in September the articles created subsequent to the draft, with a strong tendency toward "delete" where players have not made NFL squads and are non-notable for their collegiate accomplishments. Joe 19:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Question could someone please explain what level he plays at compared to an English footballer? Very difficult for English users (some of us at any rate) to make a decision about notability. Jcuk 07:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The NFL, which is of course the highest level of American football, holds a draft every year during which teams select players who (almost without exception) spent the previous few years playing for a Division I university football team. The person in this article was selected in the draft last week but he is not really part of the team yet, as NFL teams hold training camps prior to their seasons during which they choose which players will be on their roster. So at this point the level he plays at is possibly the highest (NFL), or possibly nothing, depending on how good of an impression he makes during training camp this summer. However, he was drafted in the sixth-round and without looking it up, I would guess that the majority of players drafted that late do not end up making the team. — GT 10:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. Loads of bio-stubs should be deleted, but this is not high on the list. Runcorn 10:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.