Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Latin metal (2nd nomination)

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The result was Delete. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-03 07:09Z

[edit] Latin metal

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I am re-creating this discussion for the deletion of the article latin metal for the following reasons:

• This page is only a sentence and a list. The sentence could easily be debated and the list is very short.
• There are no sources.
• There are only three articles that link to latin metal. Eleven months after its creation, I think it shows that this article is not necessary for the encyclopedia.
• There are only ten bands in the list of bands. I do not think that a musical genre with only 10 acts is notable enough to be on Wikipedia.
• Those ten bands are very loosely connected. Some bands are nu metal, others are hardcore punk, others are industrial metal, others are death metal, others are grindcore, and others are thrash metal. If latin metal was such a big musical genre, the bands included in the genre would be somehow connected, in a similar way that black metal acts are.
• I did my litte investigation on the subject:

• If one was to type "Latin" on Encyclopaedia Metallum in the "Musical genre" category, there are zero results to show. For those who are wondering, Encyclopaedia Metallum does not make users pick from a list of genres when they are adding a band, they have to type a genre description themselves.
• There are no pages on Rockdetector that talk about "latin metal".
• If one was to type "Latin metal" on Google, there would be 36 400 results.
• However, many of these results have actually nothing to do with the subject. They consist of lists of styles who generally list the "Latin" musical style just before the "Metal" musical genre (alphabetical order). You can see it clearly here and on the previous Google link (6th, 7th, and 9th results on the first page). It generally is something like "...Hip Hop/Rap, Jazz, Latin, Metal, Rock, ..."
• Many of the pages are pages that are copying Wikipedia's information (Answers.com for example). One of those results is the third result when typing "latin metal".
• If we are to take off "Jazz" and "Wikipedia" from the research, in order to take off all search results that come from Wikipedia or style lists, we are left with: 967 results!!!. I don't think that with less than a thousand GHits this subject is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia.

Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me! • O))))} 00:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete. 967 Ghits isn't bad, considering, but this genre can't seen to make up its mind what it is. Apart from the article's definition, there also appears to be one that claims Latin Metal is "played by metal bands with Latino members". It's not much of a genre if it's vaguely defined. EliminatorJR ^Talk 00:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment If we were to consider which results among those remaining 967 GHits actually talk about latin metal, there would be actually less than 967 since there are still some results that are style lists (third result on the last link I put up, for example). After taking off words from the search that often came up in style lists (jazz, indie, urban, rap, electronic), we are left with: 658 results and there are still more style lists (8th and 9th results, for example). Many of the websites that are not style lists and thus talk about latin metal are MySpaces. Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me! • O))))} 11:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete non notable term, see WP:NEO. IronChris | (talk) 00:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable and unverifiable term. It seems to be promoted by Ankla and Ill Niño who prefer being called that instead of nu metal. No reliable sources or non-trivial coverage for the term. Prolog 04:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Strong delete per above. It appears to be a very biased term with restricted used (only american band and with Spanish/bilingual lyrics) . Many of these bands have nothing to do with Spanish. Including this would probably lead to a plethora of silly articles with list of bands like German punk bands with french lyrics, Italian classical music with finnish lyrics. Latin metal seems more appropriate for metal bands with strong latin influence on their music. Spearhead 10:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. No sources. Dragomiloff 00:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. If the term cannot be independently sourced but we allow it to stand then we would also have to allow all manner of POV labels for music a route that would end with, for example, classifications like French neo classical goth with some German lyrics that apply to only one or two bands (Dark Sanctuary in this case) which the bands do not themselves use. 194.176.105.39 09:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. As per above. Doppelganger E 01:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.